NIS and prong collars General Chat

I am critising your methods which I disapprove of and if you cant control your dog without the use of a prong collar then am within my rights to comment that maybe should of got a dog you could handle without poking metal in its neck.

Prongs are very common in the USA, much more so than in the UK, they even use them on shelties over there!!!!! :O

Kettle and Pot springs to mind

I've seen these a couple of times, mainly on American dog programs... I'm sorry. I'm sure they can be used humanely and safely, but I could never put them near my dogs. Kismet pulls like you wouldn't believe (She's Husky X Mal so I was hardly surprised). But not for a moment would I consider punishing her for it in this way. It's her natural instinct, she lives to pull. I know this and have to either work with it, or gently redirect it. We are working with a halti at the moment, but i am hoping to get a scooter or bike harness when she's old enough.

I used to groom for a local hunt and you saw a lot of horses bits like this with prongs in them that dug into the tongue. It's not right or humane on horses and it certainly isn't for a dog. Pleased to say this sort of bit is illegal now, (but still used by many).

You mean they actually put that thing in their dogs mouth?

No its a horses bit elaine

what am I like!!

Bits like these can cause a horse to tip-

I've seen horse come back from the hunt mouths and chests covered in blood from the bits and seen them rear backwards out from their trailers trying to get away from the bit and fall. It was never the foxes that put me off the hunt, but the 'weekend riders' who never looked at their horses except on hunt weekends and then had no idea how to control them, they would buy every bizarre bit of kit going.

But this is about prongs not hunting

I would like to see prong collars banned in the uk like these bits gave been. They are too easy to get hold of and too easy to misuse without the correct training. If they become popular it will only be a matter of time before the injuries resulting from them start cropping up here as they do in the US.
I'm not trying to have a go at the trainers who understand the use of the collar and how to use them sensibly and responsibly, but think of the lads who will buy them to make their poor staff or pitbull mix dogs look harder and more dangerous!

lol... unless you know horses.,.. you could be excuesed from not knowing x

KCJack,
I am done defending myself and my breed to you. I will state this again so you understand. The Prong Collar is a safe and effective training aid when properly used on problem dogs. I never said that my breed was a problem and I have trouble handling them. This is not my only training method as stated earlier. I am a firm believer in positive reinforcement but that method alone does not work 100 percent on all dogs all the time.
You are free to disapprove of the Prong Collar all you want and you have that right. But stop attacking me, my methods of training and my breed of dog. Maybe you would like to share some training alternatives with me since you think mine are so inhumane and evil.

I will happily share some with you... just let me know the problem... and I will see if I can come up with something

....and me :twisted:

that's a truly dreadful picture magpye.

Could you just point us to the link where it specifically says that the wound is from an incorrectly fitted prong collar as opposed to any other sort of collar?

You see, the caption on the website showing that picture states:

Many times people put a collar or chain on a dog but fail to enlarge it as the dog grows. Then the collar cuts into the dog's neck causing infectious wounds.

There are other images showing dogs being similarly abused with leather collars, nylon ones, plain chain collars, flat collars - all sorts really.

In the picture you posted the dog in fact isn't wearing a collar at all, so I'm just interested to know where you found the information that a prong collar has caused the injury by being incorrectly fitted?

My goodness - are you blind? Did you not see the photo on the previous page????

Maybe it would be more effective used on problem people and I would happily volunteer to take Jk for a walk with one WALKIES seen although she such a fan of them.

Hmm, I used the linked photo from another forum... You're right, looking at the original site, may have been another type of chain on him I suppose... I'll remove the picture from my previous post as it may not be specifically a prong... Must follow links...

Still stick to my opposition of the prong collar though....

After a more thorough search I have been able to uncover this image this time definitely caused by a prong, or pinch collar.

Safe as houses then........

Barbaric

No, I am not blind. I did see the picture and I actually took the time to read the caption. Did you read the caption or just look at the pic? The damage in the pic is not from a training session but from someone tying a dog out for an extended period of time and unattended with a collar not fitted properly. This could of been caused by any type collar either choke, Leather, or nylon. The proper use of the collar would never cause this type of damage.