Bark! By Zazie Todd, PhD - Review Behaviour

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    Bark! By Zazie Todd, PhD - Review

    I received notice of a new book entitled, Bark! The Science of Helping Your Anxious, Fearful or Reactive Dog by Zazie Todd yesterday, so I ordered it. I started reading it last night.

    As Cat-dog has extreme dog fear and anxiousness, I thought it would be a good read to see if I am doing everything I can for her. As I think it will be of help to others with similar situations, I figured I'd run an ongoing commentary/review of the book as I read.

    So far, I am 48 pages in. There has been a lot of good information already. First and foremost is an explanation on the difference between fear and anxiety. To paraphrase:

    Fear is something felt in response to a specific stimulus or event that is potentially dangerous while anxiety is more generalized emotional response that is not tied to something specific.

    So, in regards to Cat-dog, she has FEAR when she sees another dog approaching her; she has ANXIETY when we walk down the street with no dogs around. In the first situation, the dog is there and she fears it will attack her. In the second, she is anxious because she worries that a dog could appear suddenly - it's the "what if".

    The author goes on to mention several studies that show fear and anxiety are very common in dogs (72.5% per one study) and then explains several studies (including the classic study of the infant Little Albert and Pavlov's experiment).

    She then dispels certain myths that are still given today as "advice" by offering these truths:

    It's OK to comfort a fearful dog;
    Ditch the idea of dominance;
    Dogs should be able to make choices and have control over their lives, as far as possible;
    Don't force your dog to face their fears;
    Dogs don't need to be provoked to see how bad a problem is;
    You don't need to use harsh methods just because the dog has behavior issues;
    Dogs do like treats;
    It's the dog's perception that counts;
    Dogs don't just growout of fears; and
    Even though a dog is fearful, training should be fun for them.

    A discussion of classical conditioning follows, providing a brief overview of the Pavlov study and the jargon attached to it.

    At this point she talks about the hardships we humans deal with when we have a fearful dog. We face the loss of an expected life and we need to grieve that loss aswe face the compromises and difficulties we face for the life we are given. I think this is a very important bit that gets lost to many trainers. If a trainer tells you that you can absolutely have that life you dreamed of (sitting at the cafe with your dog quietly and happily laying at your feet, spending your days at the beach with your dog off leash as other dogs and their people run around, etc), RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN! No one knows how long it will take to counter condition fears and anxieties in a dog (or person) or if it will ever be completely resolved. So mourn that life and then take it day by day to move forward and find a life you AND your dog can enjoy.

    She quotes a colleague, Bonnie Hartley of Ocean Park Dog Training in Surrey, BC, who stated about an extremely fearful foster dog: "when you look at a fearful dog, and you look back over time, she was better at a year than she was when she came to us. She was better at 2 than 1, and honestly it keeps going like that. She's better at 9 than she was at 8, and she's better at 8 than she was at 7. It just keeps going on and on, and she keeps growing and changing and becoming more confident. I think that's really exciting."

    I will leave us at this point for now because I think this is important for anyone dealing with a fearful or anxious dog to realize: it will keep getting better. It may not seem to as you are going through it, but make a note on the calendar and every year look back at where you and your dog were last year. You WILL see the improvements. Tell all your friends. Celebrate. Post it online. Every step forward is huge. And be sure to tell your dog how proud you are of them. They moved forward and they are amazing!
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    Sounds interesting.

    One thing I would point out though, not all dogs like treats. My little devil has all on to eat anything at all and treats to him hold no value

    It's made his training in respect of anxiousness a little difficult, but the compromise for him is that when he sees a dog approaching that he doesn't know, he jumps on the bed of my scooter. Ofter that is enough to ward off his barking, but if he's still uncertain he rags my shoe laces. A good job he's only tiny :)
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    I agree. Some dogs just aren't food motivated and you have to find a different reward system for them. It may be a toy or touch, etc.

    Other dogs, like Cat-dog, may have such severe anxiety/fear that it's very difficult to find situations/locations where they are comfortable enough to do training, and that anxiety/fear prevents them from accepting treat rewards. She loves treats, but only when she feels safe - our backyard, in the house or in the car. She did accept a treat when we were on the whale watching boat (after she realized there were no dogs on the boat and they couldn't get on the boat), but that is the only outdoor location where she did.

    In such cases, we have to think outside the box. Letting yours jump on the scooter works. It's likely the proximity to you and his trust that you can and will protect him.
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    Oh Wow. so nice to hear about it. Thank you for sharing :)
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    Eddie was my greatest learning curve. He had a really awful start in life and even at four months could not cope with much eye contact - from a dog, or even a human when he was anxious. I found that allowing him adequate space was the key. We didn't always end up walking the way we intended to, and would deviate to avoid the troublesome or over-friendly dogs which we knew would be likely cause a reaction.
    He was never 100% happy on strange ground. He did well in his obedience classes, unless other dogs were close to the ropes. A loss of concentration would be the first sign, and if he really couldn't cope he occasionally ran out of the ring. Working Trials were much easier as, apart from the stays, each dog worked individually in a large outdoor area.
    The Halti and collar double lead combination did help to give Eddie more confidence. Perhaps the additional control removed some of the responsibility to be aware of danger from his shoulders. He never had any problems with the dogs that he lived with, but never learned to ignore the territorial JRT's next door.
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    I got sidetracked with another book... But am back to reading this.

    She goes on to discuss how fears are developed. She starts with genetics, then maternal care, then socialization, bad experiences, and developmental factors.

    In the developmental factors, she mentions astudy of guide dog puppies. It assessed two scales: attachment and attention-seeking (which looks at their attachment to their guardian) and separation distress (which looks at how they behave when separated from their guardian).

    The results showed that the dogs with poorer attachment tended to have their first estrus earlier than the average for the breed. This is the same with human children with poor attachment to their guardians - they enter puberty earlier than those children with strong attachments.

    To assess conflict with a caregiver, they looked at how well the puppies responded to a well known cue, such as sit, at 5 months of age and at 8 months of age. These ages fall before puperty (5 months) and during puperty (8 months). If a stranger gave the cue, the puppies responded equally well at both ages. But if the caregiver gave the cue, the puppies responded better at 5 months of age than at 8 months of age.

    Separately, the dogs' caregivers rated their dogs as less trainable at 8 months then at 5 months, whereas the trainers reported the opposite.

    So apparently, dogs DO become annoying obnoxious teenagers...
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    Interesting @Toedtoes
    The teenager syndrome being more apparent with the caregiver than the trainer could be explained by the degree of trust that the puppy feels with each person.
    ie. The pup may chance being disobedient with someone that he knows would never use force, but be less sure of the trainer's confident attitude. If he is successful, there is more chance of him repeating the stubborn act. We must have all experienced dog owners who say, 'My dog refuses to do xxx', but when the trainer takes the lead - the dog responds straight away.
    The attachment theory of puberty is new to me. I always thought puberty depended on physical development, particularly muscle mass and body weight. I would be interested to search further into this one.
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    I think so. I think familiarity has a lot to do with it. I think a lot of it is simply because the caregiver isn't always consistent. A trainer sees the dog only during training so they are much more likely to be consistent. But when you are with the dog 24/7, you may be less consistent because you're not always in training mode. You may let exact and immediate obedience slide a bit. And the dog sees that as an opportunity to push the envelope and be more independent.

    I hadn't heard about the puberty either, but it makes sense biologically and evolutionary. I think the onset of puberty is connected to physical development, but that development is sped up by the stress markers created when the puppy doesn't have that attachment. That lack of attachment would create stress of not knowing if "mom will feed me or protect me", and that stress would trigger the brain and body to speed up the growth process so puppy can feed and protect himself. In contrast, a puppy who has a strong attachment with his mom won't have stress about food or protection and so he can take longer to develop.
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    It's hard to understand if you are a multi dog owner though. I have had litter sisters which have their first seasons several months apart - and are both treated the same.
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    From the book, most breeds have an age range for when they start estrus. So basically if the age range is 6 to 9 months, dogs will vary within that range, but those with poor attachments with their moms will have a larger percentage starting at say 6-7 months than those with strong attachments.

    And to be clear, it's not a proven cause and effect and there is only the one study done on guide dog puppies, but it showed a correlation between attachment and age of estrus.

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