Terrier Group Judging 2015 Crufts

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    Terrier Group Judging 2015




    Edit: "Tail incident" can be viewed at 33mins in.
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    I am absolutely shocked how that scottish terrier was handled....
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    I guess I don't find it shocking because I've seen it done a lot. At least when I used to watch shows and thinking about it that was mainly with small terriers. I'm not sure why they lift them this way though? I don't know if that hurts or potentialfor injury? Like what the frequency is that a dog is harmed?
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    I have seen a lot of pitbulls on video's torn apart By other pitbulls. And I still don't get used to see it. Nor I wonder if it is harmful for them done once or 5 times...
    Crufts is the place where animal protection really came in harsh publicity. Dog that has been hung from the neck and the tail in Crufts should not 1 - be in there 2-be placed.
    The judge of the ring accepting and rewarding that is just as much to be blamed.

    Show world doe not change unless it is forced to change. Normal handling is the Basic thing to expect in ANY dog handling. That is not!
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    Whether it is done a lot or not is immaterial as according to this comment in the link to Dogsworld by Vee in message #3

    The KC runs Crufts therefore in my opinion if they think it unacceptable and made repeated requests to her not to do so, she should have abided by their rules.

    However small the dog is, one hand under and around its throat and the other hand holding it tightly enough by the tail in order to lift it, cannot possibly be comfortable for the dog, even if it is used to it so puts up with it as the norm.
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    Seems your reply is aimed at me Vellamo.

    I think it's obvious most dog fights would cause injury. If dogs are being torn apart (wow) that's pretty obvious.

    I don't know about these other breeds. I've seen smaller terriers with short tails being picked up like that. So I wondered. So pardon my ignorance. Not everyone is keen on everything.
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    Thank you for the info Malka.

    I do understand about it being immaterial to the situation. Just stating I'm not shocked by seeing it. I used to watch shows regularly when younger & remember seeing it.

    I think whatever show your are attended you sound abide by the rules. Of course. They should be able to dismiss you if got do not.
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    Yes in the past this way of handling was accepted but there was an out cry about lifting small dogs by their tails some years ago and it was decided to discourage it as it upset spectators and viewers.The exact wording and I quote "Exhibitors are reminded that the Kennel Club believes that the practise of picking up dogs, often Terriers, by their tails and leads when lifting to and from the table during judging is both undesirable and completely unnecessary") Perhaps it needs changing to ‘unacceptable ‘
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    Why didn't they say she could no longer handle the dog after she ignored their initial warning? That would have sent out a strong message.
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    When I was watching the Parson Russell Terriers being shown there was a large number of American & German handlers lifting the dogs on/off the table/stand by their tails, not one of the judges or Crufts officials told them that it was not allowed, I was hoping one of the dogs would nip the handler for picking them up this way.
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    Apparently they were doing it in the ‘westie ring also but guess that didn’t get filmed.
    The judges are just as much to blame as they must have known it was against KC polices.
    Nearly 100,000 people have now signed an online petition,

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tigate-second-cruelty-case.html#ixzz3U0OIOvR7
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    I only stayed why K9's breeder was showing his Parson Russell Terrier bitch which was place 3rd, then went to watch The Rescue Home trainers in the obedient class.
    Did see some of the Staffies being judged, there were some beautiful markings on couple of the bitches, but judge didn't think so as they never got placed.
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    An article about why terriers are lifted by their tails here...

    http://www.bestinshowdaily.com/blog/therein-lies-a-tail/

    However, this is about working terriers, not show terriers, and as such lifting working terriers by their tails has a sound reason. One paragraph says it best, I think:

    I fully appreciate the reason and the need for working terriers to be able to be lifted by their tails, but is it really necessary in show terriers?

    The point is that it is against the policy of the Kennel Club, therefore it should not have been permitted at Crufts - where some people, both handlers and judges, ignored the KC's policy.

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