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i think getting a rescue is a good idea

didnt see that bit...

It isnt an anti-cross thread... i just dont agree with the ethics behind a breeder who chooses to breed a crossbreed. i have nothing against crosses, i own one!

Well said - it's not the dogs, it's in the main, the people that practice it

i was meaning anti cross breeding. theres too many threads already on the ins and outs of it so ill say no more

There are good registered breeders and not so good reg. breeders just as there are good breeders that cross breed and horrendous breeders that cross breed. All in all I have had both xbred dogs and purebred dogs and it has been a case of pot luck. I purchased a cavalier king charles from a supposedly ethical breeder; I had the pup for 2 months....it died from heart failure, a problem that is notorious with cavaliers! The only reason I don't like the idea of xbreeding is because of the risk that puppies may be the result of a puppy farm/mill. Not all xbred dogs have health or temperament issues, it is simply a case of purchasing a xbred from someone that breeds small scale, say only a litter or two and the dogs are part of the family and not kept in cages as is the case in a puppy farm. Seeing the parents of the litter is also a must. Providing that the litter is well socialised, not raised in a puppy farm situation, there is no inbreeding.....and the parents are healthy you will find that the pups will prove to be okay. Not advocating xbreeding but just looking at the situation objectively and with an open mind and also basing it on my own experiences.

Sorry to hear this but was the parents of puppy heart tested?
Did you take said pup to Vet when you purchased it??

Sometimes its also Buyer beware

Yes, the parents were supposed to be heart checked. The puppy had been seen by the vet and a slight heart murmur was detected, the vet said that we would be keeping check on the puppy but it was just not meant to be, I was shocked.

I agree that perhaps going to a rescue organization is the right thing to do and you will be saving a life. I must disagree with people that say that a xbreed's coat is harder to maintain. Please be real people....whether a dog is a crossbreed or a purebred....ALL LONG COATED dogs esp of the poodle variety have a high maintenance coat! As far as health is concerned, there are a few breeders out there who claim to be "ethical", they are registered, they show and yet they leave a heck of alot to be desired. I purchased a cavalier pup from a supposedly "ethical" breeder....it died two months later of heart failure, a condition that cavaliers are prone to, the correct name for this is MITRAL VALVE HEART DISEASE.

I don't advocate cross breeding but am honest enough to say that there are breeders out there who breed SMALL SCALE and do breed some fantastic, healthy and well adjusted crossbred pups, you just want to make sure that you are not dealing with a puppy farmer who breeds puppies by the hundreds and keeps them caged all their lives and does not provide optimum care. Bear in mind that there is good and bad in every avenue, just because a person is registered and breeds purebred dogs is no guarantee that they are doing the right thing. I used to breed purebred dogs and show them as well, I was on the inside and it was quite a learning curb and believe me when I say that all that glistens is NOT gold !!!! You should research purebred dogs and all the congenital defects that they inherit and yet there is still so much linebreeding and inbreeding occuring irrespective of the risks!

Sorry to those that may find my post a little out of the ordinary but as a CHristian I feel a need to take an honest approach and say things as they are, I have nothing to gain by saying what I have said, I am not a breeder of crossbred dogs but I have seen both sides and consider myself well educated on the subject, enough to tell people the way things really are with no shudder of a lie.

Sorry but I have to reply here. You say you are well educated BUT you bought from a breeder who you state "parents of pup were supposedly health tested". Educated you should have known to actually have asked to see health test results and not taken a breeders word. I try and speak with joe publics as much as I can, at the end of the day it's amazin what I could tell buyers and what they actually take as gospel

I did in fact ask for the necessary paperwork as proof that the parents of the pup were indeed heath checked and was shown the papers and provided with a copy. Where there is a will there is a way I suppose.

All in all, what I am trying to say is that registered breeders are not all that high and mighty, they are not all that ethical, there is good and there is bad in every avenue. I absolutely hate puppy farmers but I have nothing against someone who crossbreeds a litter or two a year and makes a point of breeding from healthy parentage and treats the dogs as part of the family. God knows there are soooo many supposedly registered breeders that are nothing short of puppy farmers with papers, it's too ridiculous for words and to say that I was shocked in learning what I did learn whilst breeding and showing dogs is an understatement. A few breeders who bred maltese and kept them in show coat kept those poor darn dogs in cages 24/7 except when they were placed on a designated area to empty out and then promptly placed back into their cells for more solitary confinement and this story is only the tip of the iceberg.

The temperament of a dog is dependent upon the way it has been raised, no matter what the breed! Pure or crossbred, if the pup is well socialised and shown love and adequate care it will mature into a well-adjusted dog. To say that simply because it is xbred indicates that it is going to be maladjusted with temperament faults is simply not true. God only knows there are many purebred dogs from supposedly ethical breeders that have issues just as there are xbred dogs raised from people simply wanting to make a buck and not spending adequate time with the puppies that will prove difficult especially if we are talking about puppy millers but even then every case is different, let's not generalise and forever denigrate crossbred dogs just as we should not be denigrating races that differ from ourselves.

its not all about nurture temperament is inherited, which is why you should only breed from dogs with sound temperaments.

i just want to say i love all dogs be they pedigree,xbreed or mongrel but i will never agree with breeding dogs just to supply the pet market.

I can not comment on a 'cavapoo' but I know someone who has a bichion x cavalier but the dog is mainly bichon looking with a less white more cream coat, so I agree with devildogz that you can't tell when you get a cross what they will look like.

With regards to their temperament, I believe that this does have something to do with how they are brought up and their breeding.

My mum, sis in law and mum in law all have YT and they are all nervous dogs and 2 of them can be quite ratty. My niece and my neighbour both bought a ESS from the same person and both dogs were nasty and one had to be rehomed and this is very much out of character for a ESS.

If you want a small dog then I would choose a Bichon. My mums dog doesn't have a nasty bone in his body, he loves cuddles and children and is always happy to see you. He doesn't really do what my mum tells him but that is her being soft with him.

Sorry to hear about your cavalier and good luck with your search.

LOL... Thats the funniest thing I have heard, so all dogs raised in the same way will have the same tempermant. The way they are brought up does play a apart but someone that breeds say rotties and whippets will raise them in the same way, yet both will have totally different tempermants, charactisic and instincts. Each breed standard has what the breeds tempermant should be!

Entirely agree.

You cannot detemine a cross breeds temperament at all. Other than allowing for all possibilities in both breeds. I know 5 cocker poodle crosses ("cockapoo") each are very individual in temperaments. 3 are very simalair but each different.

I agree with this but can also point out that I have 2 dogs of the same breed with totally different temperaments. I think breeding has a lot to do with it as they were both owned by the same owner from puppies so it wasn't a case of nurture with them but nature. I will certainly be looking with great care at pedigrees when the time comes to get another dog of the same breed.

Hiya mrsmuddle, I have two hybrids a Kashon (bichon x cairn) and a Chonzer (bichon x mini schnauzer) when you get a cross breed they can take on either personality , the best way to judge it is to look at both breeds and decide if both breeds suit your life style etc.My kashon Milly is totally terrier in nature but has the look and coat of a bichon, while my chonzer Smudge looks like a bichon but her personality is a mix of both breeds. If you decide to go for a caverpoo, then make sure you see both parents and make sure they have sound temperaments.

Oh I also agree with most of you with regards to cross breeding "and the prices" it ridiclous £600/700 for two breeds crossed, My girls were bred because they dont moult, but I cant see the point of crossing any other breeds with each other! I find it quite sad, when there are a lot of breeds becoming quite rare that have been around for ages......

There was no way on this earth that the breed knew the girls wouldnt moult when they sold them to you. Just a chance they wouldnt