The question wasn't actually directed at you. As the identities of these owners are as yet unknown we don't know they are complying with the rules of racing. With regards to the last part of your post I would suggest that if you are sick of hearing about it, you should perhaps steer clear of the forums or partaking in the discussions which address these issues.
Owners and trainers have 6 options when filing a Retirement Form under Rule 18. Not only can they claim a greyhound has died of 'Natural Causes' but the final box under 'Euthanasia' allows for destruction if 'No home or retirement placement could be found'. No surprises then that 10 owners - at least - tick this box and in doing so, pay £20 for destruction rather than donate a higher fee to a rescue centre to re-home their dogs. But don't hold your breath the GRB will act on whatever information you have given them. Remember Joanne Page - a trainer who was caught red handed instructing a vet to destroy five healthy greyhounds without first attempting to re-home them? Let me remind you......she was cautioned at local level for breach of Rule 18 and then went on to seriously abuse and neglect another 3 greyhounds. What you cannot grasp *SJ* is that it is not economically viable - in commercial greyhound racing - to retire greyhounds once they can longer earn their keep and this is why the industry award minimal penalties to those owners and trainers who are 'caught' breaching this rule. Thanks for your suggestion - may I suggest you try to develop just an ounce of compassion and begin to feel the repulsion felt by most people who are aware of the mass destruction of innocent sentient creatures and perhaps you should steer clear of those in greyhound racing who justify it or ignore it - simply to satisfy their own selfish needs. Regardless, my awareness of dogs being destroyed originates largely from the rescue work I do - not from forums.
Looks like the data being entered in to this database isn't being checked properly - already we see a retired hound entered twice.:? Tuskin Raider/Niigata looks to be the same dog to me. An error obviously but what can you expect where one of the people entering the data is prone to such errors? His homing group database on the same site claims to have found homes for 867 greyhounds - but actually that figure can be reduced by 58. 56 of the homed hounds in the total of 867 have been returned and homed more than once - 3 more than twice. I suppose it is how data can be manipulated to distort the real numbers of racing hounds that are actually homed. I am led to beleive by those who are pro racing, that it is ONLY those that are ANTI racing that distort the facts to their advantage. Now the question is, does this happen in other homing groups and their data? With no centrally controlled, credible database coming forward from the GBGB - who have all of these figures, we won't ever know will we? Perhaps that is how they prepfer it to be, but for what reasons?
Just in case anyone was wondering about the names of the hounds that have been homed more than once, here are the racing names of all of them - the date of the first, second and where relevant, third homing are given. The letters JGS refer to a homing first undertaken by another group - sadly the dogs were returned after the home situation did not prove successful. The figure of 869 greyhounds found homes really should be corrected as it is actually 56 less than that. Aghadown Net Nov-05 Dec-08 Alchy Line Nov-04 Apr-06 Beauty Direct Oct-08 Sep-09 Beechwood Lacey JGS July 07 Jun-08 Beechwood Thunder Sep-07 Apr-08 Best Light JGS May 06 Jun-07 Jan-09 Beverley Boy Jul-08 Jul-09 Blue Lark Lad Dec-05 Jan-08 Bubble Ruby Nov-04 Aug-05 Builders Buddy May-00 Feb-01 Butch (Murphy) Sep-05 Aug-09 Caravaggio Jun-02 Jan-04 Carneys Prince Oct-06 Aug-08 Carrigabruce Rio Nov-05 Aug-06 Chill Isabel Jun-07 Jan-09 Clonleigh Leader Jul-05 Jul-07 Clune Venus Oct-04 Aug-06 Clunedarby Jo Nov-05 Apr-07 Colm Princess Mar-08 Oct-09 Dawntyn Dot Sep-06 Dec-07 Dunmahon Classic Dec-08 Jan-10 Frisby Fire Ball JGS Dec 06 May-08 Flyer Snout Jul-02 Jul-07 Full Impact Mar-03 Oct-06 Gertnacrehy Gold JGS Sep 06 Aug-07 Glandore Merlin Apr-05 Apr-07 Nov-09 Glenard Di Jul-06 Sep-07 Glenstown Noggin May-05 Apr-07 Go Nikita May-01 Mar-07 Harry Express Mar-05 Jul-06 Heather Sport Apr-99 May-01 Hi Diamond Feb-04 Jun-06 Joyous Chance Dec-02 Apr-08 Kilton Josh Dec-05 Apr-07 Lets Go Rodrigo May-00 Dec-01 Libo Choice Jul-02 Aug-06 Lukes Buddy Dec-04 Dec-06 Mandingo Rose Sep-01 Dec-04 Munsbro Jo Dec-06 Feb-09 Only Les Apr-05 Nov-06 Orqueda Sue Jul-08 Jan-10 Pint Beauty Dec-06 Sep-07 Ploverfield Luke Sep-01 Jun-03 Prince Lucky Oct-06 Dec-08 Quality Tells Jun-00 Oct-03 Quick Quest Oct-05 Jul-07 Rathasker Red Jan-07 Jan-09 Rooster Peggy JGS May 07 Jun-08 Rosies Dream Jan-01 Jan-09 Secure a Win Dec-06 Dec-07 Troy Apr-04 Oct-06 Wigglies Angel Feb-06 Sep-09 Willington Chad Apr-04 Feb-05 Winky Wonder Jul-04 Jun-06 Yankee Dreamer Sep-05 May-09 Yassoo Sarah Aug-07 Jul-08
*SJ* Your reply would be very impressive - that is of course -if the GBGB had any intentions of enforcing any other of their rules apart from ones relating to integrity and illegal betting practices - cant have the punters losing faith in greyhound racing now can we? What did the GBGB say about Mr Stow's 10 trainers who were automatically destroying dogs when they could no longer race BTW? Kev Tut tut - duplicate and triplicate entries for the same greyhound - I thought only the industry were capable of such desperate measures to boost numbers. Hope you will adjust your totals accordingly.
Trudy, Good heavens no, it isn't just the sport as you well know that are capable of such desperate measures. You are well aware that the biggest anti-racing list uses equally desperate measures. However I get the impression that diversionary tactics are being employed here. I honestly thought anyone genuinely interested in welfare would be pleased that these dogs on the private homing list that are 'untraceable' or whichever terms are used are actually alive and well. Thankfully we are all human, and none of us are perfect so mistakes will always be made. Kev
No? You wont correct the duplicate and triplicate entries for the same greyhound on your list? Why not? Surely you wouldn't want to create a false impression of LGT re-homing more greyhounds than you actually do? I am by no means aware that 'the biggest anti-racing list uses equally desperate measures' - what on earth are you suggesting? Of course I am pleased to see a greyhound rescued from a life of racing - why shouldn't I be? What I do object to are the numbers of those greyhounds being manipulated - as you have done - to try and dispel the very serious issue of 'unaccounted' for dogs. Don't suppose you would care to give me the names of those 10 owners who automatically destroy their dogs once they are no longer of any use as a gambling 'unit'?
As Cath has pointed out these dogs were rehomed, then returned and rehomed again in a different year. We are quite happy with what we do and think we do as much as we can to help retired greyhounds. Quote: The ‘Wall of Shame’ is to be used for recording specific details on greyhounds found stray. The aim is to illustrate the size of the problem nationwide as such information has never been made available and figures are largely unknown. Quote: Wall of Shame (total so far -814 dogs) Question: How many greyhounds found straying within the nation do you think there are on the list? If you answer 814 then as you're well aware you are wrong. 93 have never even set foot in this fair nation of ours, but are still numbered as part of the nationwide problem. Which of the greyhounds on the privately rehomed list do you now object to? Why would I want to give you the 10 names? I will say that thankfully a number have now left the sport. Anyway all this 'he said that, they did that etc' does nothing apart from waste time and effort that could be better spent helping greyhounds so I'll keep doing what I do and you keep doing what you do, but this thread could run as long as the other one so I plan to post no further on it. Kev
