Breeding for a long haired GSD pup Questions

I would have wanted a DNA test as the LC gene is recessive & therefore it would be genetically impossible for two Lcs to produce a correct coated(not short coated as the is called a Molecoat & is also a fault ! & is also recessive)

Well as far as I know..(as they really wanted a pup from Thor) there was no doubt who the father was....I never saw them after they were 8wks old..maybe they were just shorter long coats lol..
Sheba was the only longcoated bitch..(4boys (1 shortcoat), 2 girls (1 of each coat) and I wanted a longcoat and my mum wanted a bitch..so there was no choices to be made..

Without a DNA test no one can say that the parents of a puppy are as the breeder states, I do know that any puppy I breed will come from DNA profiled parents

LCs are not always obvious when the puppies are young. My dog of a lifetime was described as a LC when he was very young, in fact he had a totally correct coat(at a time when Mole coats were very common)he never got soaking wet no matter what he did(including sea & fresh water swimming)

I actually Agree with Kirsty.

If LC is ressesvive, then to be LC the Dog & Bitch must Carry two sets of LC genes & therefore can only pass on LC , therefore all pups will be LC.

No doubt there are exceptions, cos there always are in genetics!

They weren't breeders as such..Both owners were family friends..and everyone LOVED Thor..he was such a clever dog..and adored everyone..when Kassy's owner asked for a mating with Thor it was his only mating and Kassy's too...
I don't think a DNA test was needed

I do hope they were at least hip scored not really the right reason to breed from two pet dogs & sorry yes they were breeders

Can I point out we got Sheba in 1988...thats 22 years ago.(hip scoring wasn't exactly a high profile thing then).she lived till she was 14 and her heart gave out..not her hips..
Yes they were breeders but not repetitive ones..they had one litter and kept two and the others were given away

FYI my GSD litters were all born before your bitch & yes all the dogs were either Hip X rayed under the Certificate, Breeders letter or failure scheme(& had either a cert or breeders letter) or scored well under the breed mean under the current scheme. Hips may not have been a"high"profile thing amongst pet breeders, but it certainly was amongst responsible knowledgeable GSD people. The SV in Germany have been operating a hip X raying scheme for well over 50 years let alone 22 years !

Well if I had known all that when I was 12 I would have insisted..and of course I know all that now and do insist..

Actually the SV DOES now recognise the Long Coat as long as it does have an undercoat...

It may but not fully:
SV and the long-coated GSD

In July 2008, there was an announcement that SV & FCI had signed an agreement to permit the showing of “long-stock coated” GSDs as a legitimate variety of the breed. The German word “stock” can best be transliterated as “stiff, straight, and harsh” and refers to the normal topcoat hairs seen in the typical coat of this breed The “long-stock coat” has the same straight, harsh texture as the normal, historically accepted coat. The decision was made that these dogs were to be “re-integrated” into the breed. In the summer of 2009, it was announced that long-haired GSDs (with the “long-stock” coat) could be shown, but only in their own shows or classes. It is to have its own Stud Book and its own Körung. It will not be permitted to be shown at the BSZS. Matings between the long-coat and normal-coat dogs would not be approved (their offspring not registrable). Of course, when long-coated dogs are born to dogs whose coats are of normal length (as has happened since before the SV was formed), those individuals would have to be registered as longcoats. F Lanting,they must also have undercoat.

They were and currently are registered with the German Kennel Club but not the SV which is the German Shepherd one in Germany.
The Langhaar is called the Altdeutscher Shäferhund
http://www.adrv-ev.de/
They have their own Breed Society, stud books, shows, breed wardens etc. and it as been in excistance for over 100 years and I cant see the old breeders wanting to join the SV.

This is an affiliated club in Belgium
http://be.adrv.eu/

and one in the Netherlands
http://nl.adrv.eu/

I have a friend that has been involved with this race in Eastern Germany since before I was born, and about 30 years before the wall came down.

Thanks for all that extra information Wildmoor. I will be trawling through those websites just as soon as I have a moment or two.

As usual Pam, you are a mine of useful info!!

Dave

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They do also use an occasional SV standard coat dog in their breeding programmes, it keeps the male/female definition in the heads and keeps temperament from becoming too sharp.