Irish Staffordshire terrier facts vrs myths Discussions

Longford or Longfields..Mmmmmmmmm WILL THE REAL ONE STAND UP!!!


Something you need to understand here, on this forum and others, is that ... YOU dont tell others where they can and cant join in a debate.

The few of YOU guys who where talking about a type of dog others would have no clue over, will have to understand, that others will disagree with you...

Get used to it... this is not a forum exclusive to ISBT or supporters of the type.

I am sure when you have posted more than a handful of posts, and joined in ALL threads and discussions, you will understand how it works..

Or maybe you are not interested in the rest of the forum, but just like to be controversial!!

If I wasn't working I would do, I have put posts on this thread allready, or have you missed them :? I've volunteered in a staff rescue where there was a ISBT, atm I'm looking into Hinks bull terriers, you can look at the posts that I have made on here, you can say anything you want about them, I have been civil, until you think that no-one knows anything about the dogs, because people dissagree with you, you seem to have a few people all come at once, and are only (I think) posting on this thread, may I ask what forum you are all from?

People have been told that they don't have real dogs, yeah real mature, and other things have been said.

Like I said if I wasn't at work I would come, but I've allready had to book some holidays for that month, for the thame show on the 17th, and I'm also going up to Wales near the end of the month to talk to a rabbit breeder, but apart from that, because of your's and other tones on this forum, I doubt that I would go anyways.

And there in lays the crux of the matter...ALTERNITIVE , in other words NOT recognized breeds.

So getting back to the original question Irish Staffs... are not a CK breed, they are an ALERNITVIE... along with all the bull breed cross breed, which I think are called "Bandogs" Irish Staffies" Pitbulls" and Pit types"


So I guess all your puffing and preening, you have just put an explanation to the whole thread.

they are not Staffordshire Bull Terriers...BUT alternatives!!! in other words crossbreeds.

Thank you!!!!!!!

Longford,I know staffies and I know Pitbulls. I own staffies and i've lived with pitbulls. I love both breeds and took the time to research my dog of choice when it was time to rehome one.

I also know that Irish staffy is used by some people to describe anything from a fighting staffy, to a Pitbull or pitbull cross. Thats a fact, check the free ads.

You talk about working a dog but refuse to say what you mean, which in turn adds fire to the flames. Do you support dog fighting? Why don't you just let us know 100% as these half hearted comments don't do anyone any good.

I don't look into he history of fighting dogs to often, I wouldn't want to add to the web traffic of people who run any of those sites and I personally feel that the people who do are part of the reason that I go to a rescue and see row after row of Staffies and staffy like dogs waiting to find a home.

I'm open about where my loyalty lies, it lies with the dog. Not the breed, not the sport and not the owner. Of course this thread is going to get tempers raised, this is after all a forum for dog lovers. It seems like some people here are make lots of veiled references to Dog fighting then acting surprised when people wade in on the subject. Please don't tell me to step off my high horse, its a subject I care deeply about and I feel I've earned the right to comment on it in this public forum.

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Irish Staffordshire terrior Facts vrs myths:
I entered into this thread to find the truth to the question.
I was in Cromer and York earlier this year and spoke in passing with individuals who referred to their pets as ISBT.
I inquired because these dogs looked more athletic than the
standard SBT that I have owned, and loved. In reserching
the web I found that this ISBT was bred to the early standards of the SBT and is considered the working lines of
KC registered SBT, and this fraternity of working breeders provide legal and victimless activities which these dogs can compete and demonstrate ther courage and athletic abilities
As I'm retired now I have the time and the desire to compete at this level. I am a dog lover and have had a variety of breeds over the years, most of them have been of the working type. I enjoy having the dog that can carry
the heaviest logs on his back with the ball in his mouth while swimming first to the finish line. This is only accomplished with a strict and tried breeding program of working dogs.

You can believe what you like, but there is no such breed as an ISBT. Like there`s no such breed as a goldendoodle. There are high-priced `designer` dogs fulfilling some need in owners I`m sure, but anyone can breed a dog with longer legs etc.
What you`ve got is a taller/heavier SBT or a cross.
It`s nice that you like to have fun with your dog. Most Staffy owners are happy for them to be pets. Either way, their history and full details of which dog killed more badgers last century is pretty irelevant.
If you think ISBT is not a euphemism for a cross-breed, possibly from a banned breed, then you are at odds with the DDA leaflet, the police and Dog Rescues.

People can refer to their dogs as anything they want, if you wish to believe the ISBT is a breed so be it, but the facts are they are not a recognized breed, , in the UK they ARE highly likely to be a Pit or Staffie cross.

Breeders wishing to call them ISBT can do so till the cows come home,

The point is , true enthusiasts of the SBT will NOT want their beloved breed to be in any way shape or form connected to the illegal trade of such crossbreeds.

Just like any one who is involved in a breed, that is used to promote a "Type"


Still unclear though as to the "work " these dogs are used and bred for!!

Thank you for allowing me to have thoughts on the matter.
And I didn't say anything about killing anything. If the authorities would hold PEOPLE responsible as owners there
would be no need for leaflets,DDA,or Dog rescues

I know that this is not directed at me but......to me I would say that this is a name that is used to cover the pb 'type', but I also have a intrest in Hinks bull terriers, although I would never class this as a breed, again more a type, if that makes sense, I don't know what work the ISBT does, at most I assume weight pulling?

I call these dogs ISBT, because thats what I was introduced to them as, its like I'm use to calling my dogs Lurchers and longdogs, I lnow that they are not a breed or anything.

Work examples,
weight pulling, obsticle courses (timed) tracking (timed)
protection Schut.1,2,3

Why have pedigree chum and the R.S.P.C.A pulled out of crufts?do i need to list all the dogs that have been ruined over the years by the bck? KC doesn't mean a thing to people who are into real working dogs, hell! most working dogs are crosses of some kind any way i.e saluki/whippet, lakeland/patterdale, greyhound/pitbull, catahoula/bulldog exc exc.. I think most of you none bullbreed owners are missing the point completely!!. We are animal lovers i hate seeing this happen. My chosen house dog is an ISBT. I have also owned 3 Irema Curto Presa Canarios 2 fems, 1 male.The 2 fems i still own and they live with fam. i also have a little black n tan terrier.
Ive owned an American bulldog some 10 years ago. A very hard dog that excelled at man work. I love all dogs but I'm in love with
bullbreeds. We are not saying that ISBTS are by far the superior dogs, just that your run of the mill kc reg staffs have been diluted to the point that they are just a shadow of there former selfs. Whats wrong with wanting to preserve the breed? Do you think its ok to continually breed out traits and try to remould any particular breeds temp and looks at the expense of its health? Its OK that you just want a pet to give cuddles and to chase rubber balls and sit by the fire.. they should be the pets that didn't make the grade and should never be bred. I have a staff that does them same things but also has fire. He loves my 2 kids, he loves all people,he is a very happy balanced dog.I reiterate he is fine with other dogs unless they are just out and out rude.He has very high prey drive, some defense drive(its just kicking in he is still very young) very high play drive, he is dominant,i seen the fire in him from 8 weeks old, I'm a dominant owner. Point is this would not be a dog for the average owner,and lets please have this right, re-read my first post, there is nothing insulting or rude in it, i just pointed out a little ignorance and that its wrong to stereo type people like us for wanting to know our dogs bloodlines and history when I'm merley being a RESPONSIBLE owner!!!for that i got called a troll with muscles and an idiot, so who started with the insults? whats happening here is you have none bullbreed owners trying to tell us about our breed, fact is i couldn't give a flying fk what u lot think we know what we know,so do i think that bullbreeds are superior to any other breeds???.....LOLlolOLLOLolol I KNOW THEY ARE!!!!!.

Why do you have the problem with KC dogs, I mentioned earlier about the dog at the rescue whose sister got 2nd in BOB, she could do agility at the same level as the ISBT, she also did good in obience.

Staffs have been 'diluted' because there is no need for them to fight now, yes I dissagree with some of the extremes that certain breeds go to in the show ring, but this is being looked at atm.

What type of vermin? A Rat is hardly a task for a Bull Terrier.

Firstly .. please watch your language, there is no need to resort to lowering yourself to such depths .


Re- Pedigree pulling out of Crufts, do some research, and you will see that it had nothing to do with Crufts or dog showing, the RSPCA is another matter all together..

Re- you not casting the first stone in insults, I think you need to re-read your posts..

When people join a board with no introductions and jump straight in with an aggressive attitude like you have, dont be surprised when they get called a troll...look it up, and you will see what it means.

Your language and attitude is nothing but aggressive, you cant argue your point without getting aggressive nor without using bad language.

You wonder why you are not getting a good reception from members, when all you seem to do is belittle their dogs and any breed that does not fit your hard man image.

Which by the way, seems to be stereotyped to the sort of person who owns these proper dogs.

Rude and aggressive!!!!!!!!

No - you`re an insecure little man that thinks a dog makes him look big. Every time you`ve posted, your ignorance has been displayed and you don`t have the judgement to realise it.
Another one for ignore list.

So you're not saying that ISBT is better than other dogs, but then you ARE saying that ISBT is better than other dogs. I think YOU need to re read your own posts.

And when you say you are a dominant owner, what do you mean by that? What training methods do you use? There are plenty of people on here with challenging dogs and dogs which have shown aggression that have managed to rehabilitate and train them using kindness and patience. What is your stand on positive training?

First of all i don't need the tv to know that showing dogs has led to real health problems with many a breed,i think you have yet again got this mixed up,were did you get your info on the ISBT? mostly media hype,secondly (bck)was a typo my bad (bkc) British kennel club.
Bullgreys are used for hair-fox and lamping badgers.
Just because they don't pull weights they should not be breed, please what are you on about?
i never said or was even trying to incinerate that,in a nut shall, only the strongest most prey driven and confident pups should be kept for breeding ( we are talking bullbreeds here) breeders should be working constantly to better the breed instead of visa versa.
Last of all i haven't got anything against kc
they just don't matter to me, my first bulldog
was not recognized by them (they are now)
presa canarios and ISBT are not,so what good are they to me?
its the show ring that i don't like as i said champions of what?
and the gullible public breeding to the standards of some old muppet to gain titles
makes me sick.
My pup IST was about 4 months old when i was stopped by a women who has breed staffs for 20 years and shows them, she was out and out gob smacked by the look of my dog, she said its the most beautifully pup she had ever seen and what a shame you couldn't show it (i told her it was a reg staff because of the likes of the bullsht Ive received on here) it couldn't be showed because of his blue coat Grey eyes and a mixture of white nails lol then she was asking were i got him from how much he was and so on.
If i had a pound for every time i had a comment about his beauty id be rich.

Maybe they are BIG rats!

No you need to re-read my posts i said bullbreeds are better.
I train my dogs using positive reward training,i think you will find aggression can be caused by a number of things,top of the list being fear,a truly dominant dog is not for a novice or timid owner because if the dog sees weakness it will exploit it, he will not respect you as a leader there for you could have problems.