Buying a Wolf Dog Cross - (split from Mahooli's standard thread) Controversial

I think that some breeders told people what they were getting ref NID x CWD or SWH and others didn't That is the impression I am getting from diff people. If you know what you are getting fine, if not then it isn't right, IMHO.
But I understand Louise that your question is different to what I am saying, you want to know how the owners know that there is any wolf dog in there for sure?

Ref Arrow, his owner says she has a NI x GSD, I believe above her name on here. Putting two and two together that must mean Arrow as his pic on this thread ;-)

@ luise an WW: i was NOT told at the beginning that she had saarloos in her..
sky's mum is now on the breeders side as Ni x saarloos .
(i think it has something to do with that the saarloos / cwd were not allowed to keep without licence..but since that has changed the mum is now on the side as ni x saarloos.)
we found out over the the pedigree
plus the breeder says now she did tell us.. but no matter what. i love my girl

Bless you xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Of course you love your lovely girl xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hmmmmmmm...See thats what I can't comprehend..all these dogs changing breeds..because of what is or isn't legal or just because someone fancies a change..

This is why I can't personally beleive what I am told..

Say for instance.. I bought a NI..then 2 wks later her parents changed into BI's on a website what does that make her?

I am sure someone mentioned somewhere that Liadan was actually a BI?? or was it that he/she was a TIDA dog but they dropped the "affix"?? I know there was something about that dog mentioned can't remember if it was here on on CW

Of course you love your dog and Im sorry you were lied to, its whats unfortunately expected from certain people within this type of dog.

Louise, you are right there is many a NID who is refered to as a BID. Ref TIDA reg and NIS reg, it makes no difference as both these clubs call their dogs NIDs. It may make a difference if TIDA do indeed out cross in the future but they will have a system so you know what you are getting in terms of the crossing etc.

Now that the SWH and CWD are 'legal' here, It appears people are being told what they are getting xx

Yes seems that way, but how underhand and deceitful previously!! Trade descriptions!!

nothing more to say there.. i was really disappointed by the breeder.. but hey.. it;s not the dogs fault;-)

would really get a critic here soonish

I agree, it is way out of order. I don't know what the dogs are like (character wise) but from what I have read they may require specialist treatment , now it is one thing if you know what you are getting, something else if you think you are getting a regular dog. Some maybe easier than other, depending on content etc which parent they have taken after......... Also, there is the legality, what if you had one (when you need approval) , and the neighbours caught on and got the authorities involved etc, imagine losing your beloved pet:-(

Sorry Dragan but I think that needed to be said.

no worrys WW..
when i first found out i did get in contact with council and so on.. got the all clear from council plus defra.. so no probs there thankfully.

I am glad all was well xxxx

Yes , I agree xxxxx

I bought my csv cross nearly 2 years ago and was well aware of what i was buying. The csv was never on the defra document because the document clearly states wolf crosses not wolfdog the csv is a recognised breed by the FCI and is clearly listed in several dog breed books as its a dog not a wolf. Not sure how old some of the other csv owners dogs are i know i wasnt the first but certainly i do know of people who were sold csv crosses and were not told the content, by a well known Northern Inuit breeder. Part of my business is pet transport and i will not go into too much detail for data protection reasons but i was contacted to collect pure csv dogs from europe which i did. The dogs were all registered as csv, all paperwork was correct and the dogs were very easy to transport, put in and out of the vechicle etc Surely customs would of had something to say reading the paperwork "Czechoslovakian wolfdog" if they thought it was not correct? You can very easily trace csv pedigrees on the wolfdog.org website. It is actually probably one of the best websites i have seen it has generations of pedigrees most with pictures of the dogs, breeders, show wins etc etc i also went to belgium last year to look at the csv in the showring and found a very mixed batch of dog owners. I managed to find a couple of csv owners that spoke french as i can not converse in czech or german lol they explained that they did agility, bikejorr and run with their dogs. I found those dogs in particular very confident and super friendly (lots of kisses lol) the people that seemed only interested in having a show dog and did very little else their dogs were not as forth coming! I love my csv boy he is a very confident dog and fantastic with my 11 year old son who handles him regularly and bikes with him every other night. He has been used at stud and even though the offspring are not high content csv every owner has been told exactly what they are, how to feed, train, house and possibilities for the future im not being funny but my experience of new puppy owners is that most do not listen to what you tell them, let alone read the paperwork they are given to read either! I will get some pictures of him and put them on the other thread for critique.

I thought these breeders were getting more responsible and breeding when they had enough people waiting nit advertising on tacky dog sites

Its says registered with British Wolfdog Club who are they????

yeah but as the advert says "only two artic whites available" perhaps their litter was booked but people change their minds? Or maybe the white ones were not expected? who knows but i would say thats one of the much better adverts wouldnt you? It says they are Northern Inuits well at least both the parents are hip scored and they will all be dna profiled more than can be said for most "tacky adverts"!

that used to be the british inuit club from andre...

This is a quote from a 'free adds' site 'Wolf grey and arctic white, including rare blue-eyed white boys and girls available. (Should the sought after blue-eyed whites be sold you can reserve one now from my next litter due in May).' The breeder is obviously psychic and the 'rare blue eyed Arctic white' thing, well.................

law of averages.. as stud dog throws whites and dam throws blue eyes.. i expect

But it doesnt say Saarloos are not a breed for everyone and probably not best for 1st time dog owners.

And registered with "British Wolfdog Club" just makes me laugh

Blue eyes only means one dog in my book (correct me if im wrong!) None the less if the general public are not privvy to the correct information and the breed fits what they are looking for then they will buy! Fact it doesnt say saarloos are not a breed for first time dog owners but then neither would i consider a gsd, inuit or perhaps a ridgeback cross as a dog that fits into that either! I dont see many gsd adverts saying that!!!! I would also say again that if the buyers do not do their homework why is it the fault of the breeder unless misleading information has been given? If you type saarloos into a google search bar the second or third piece of info relates to information posted by cry wolf which clearly goes through all aspects of owning a saarloos it mentions more than once "knowledgeable or experienced handler/owner" how much clearer can people be?

AT made no secret of what Brier was when I bought her, she even showed her father to me, it was certainly no secret.