Cesar Milan with wolf dog Shadow General Chat

I'm not talking about the set up, if the dog is reacting like that what would you do? I'm not asking what you wouldn't do or what you would do to stop it happening in the first place

I wouldn't have a dog react that to me because I would not be hurting it-CM brought about the reaction himself-the dog clearly wasn't at ease before it reacted & as he cannot read the dogs body language he did not prevent the reaction from occurring with calming body language, CM's body language is always either aggressive or dominant, which is why the dogs react the way they do to him, defensive & then close down

Well if thats the case then you can't comment on how he dealt with it, having never been and never going to be in that position yourself. You still must have an idea of how you would deal with a dog that is jumping up and trying to bite you??? Its funny how no one on here has been able to actually answer that question, its like talking to politicians ;-)

The point is most people would not put themselves in that situation. Cesar (with his wealth of knowledge ) should have anticipated the reaction he would get from the dog when putting it in that situation. He set the dog up to fail from the outset, anyone with half a brain would have gone about things completely differently and avoided the situation entirely.

I think the majority of us have said, we would not have provoked the reaction in the first place. :twisted:

Would you put yourself in that situation then? Or would you rather avoid the confrontation altogether?

nonetheless they do form packs, fact.whatever shape or form and it works.
it only works well when were there is a leader.
could you elaborate on understanding the true situation, because i have many dogs , we are a pack and it works fantastically,everyone knows their place and it works like clockwork.
even if we dont have dogs humans still live as a pack.although i would much rather live with dogs.

Dur! What a ridiculous question. No I am not going to spend the rest of my days trying to get dogs to bite me but I have an idea of what I would do in that situation as I have worked with dogs for years and have handled dogs with similar temperaments and in stressful situations. Not handling these dogs was not an option, people like vets have to do this all the time.

Again, I ask, IF you ever found yourself in that situation, how would you avoid getting bitten buy a dog jumping and trying to bite you.

If a dog was trying to bite me because i was strangling it, id stop strangling it! Simple really!!!!!

Its CMs own fault he got bit here, not the dogs.

Nor would I intentionally (and theres no need for nasty smilies thank you) but in some areas of work (vets/police/dog wardens) this sort of situation can happen.

I'll word it a different way - if you were a vet trying to treat this dog, its owners can't control it and its biting them, the only tool at your disposal is a lead, what would you do? Stand there with a slack lead while the dog chews at your arm? Or hold the lead tightly away from you?

I have had someone else's dog try to attack me whilst it was off lead(it had previous bitten other people)I simply stood perfectly still, folded my arms & closed my eyes. Because I didn't react the dog stopped the attack & eventually moved away.

Good dog trainers do not get bitten, they read the dog's body language, they establish a relationship with the dog before starting working with them(& I have worked with a lot of apparently aggressive GSDs) They do not leap in & put a slip lead up under the dog's ears at the top of the neck, pull it tight & use the stopper to keep it tight & start to"rehabilitate the dog"with out watching the dog & it's behaviour.

There is no quick fix(despite was CM's programs portray)for aggressive behaviour & using force will always result in further aggressive behaviour. Sadly CM makes it appear that his methods work, but the simple fact that he gets bitten on a regular basis on the programs-which shows that they don't IMHO

He only started "stangling" it because it was trying to bite him and he was trying to keep it away from him. From what I could see he tried to let the lead slacken several times but as soon as this started to happen even a fraction, the dog started jumping and biting again

Hoo-flippin-ray! A straight answer at last! Thank you!

You would have the dog muzzled at the vets. No doubt if the dog had "issues" then it would be on the records, the muzzle would be applied before the dog got stressed, there would be no need for "foot tapping/ kicking" & no need for a collar that is like a noose & no need to be stringing the dog up.

I really think you have missed the point The dog in the clip was in no way trying to bite CM, he was trying to release the pressure on the lead because he was being slowly strangled If that dog was people aggressive, CM would have been mauled IMO the dog was scared, and i think you'll find the rips in his jumper etc were caused primarily by the dogs claws, not his teeth
Most vets if told they have a potentially aggressive dog to examine would muzzle it first, so that argument doesn't even stand up.
And i will throw your question back to you, if you have dealt with dogs such as this.......how did YOU deal with it

I'll answer Nepton

Just asked my OH this question (without telling him the context). He said he would either try to get hold of the collar without letting go of the lead, or hold the lead up high so the dog was on it's hind legs and would have no leverage. This means you can keep your distance while calming the dog down. You can't risk letting the dog because there's no guarantee it's going to run away.

He's such a nasty, evil, cruel man my OH

Inicidentally I would do the same. If I had hold of it's lead. When I was bitten by a bull mastiff which had pinned me down and was on top of my chest I kicked it hard in it's chest. It stopped biting me immediately.

PS Nepton, unless you have a LOT of time on your hans there's no point arguing with the anti-CM people

AFTER he kicked the dog!!!!! Dont forget this dog had a very harsh slip collar on & couldnt get away from thie intense pain as it tightened around its neck. Poor B8888r, If it wanted to "bite" CM properally it would have been going for any part of his body it could get, the fact that he was nipping at the arm that was attached to the lead says it all.

You would think the owners would have the sense to do this wouldn't you but some (well quite a few actually!)don't. The fact remains some people in some areas of work may encounter this situation - and not because they have "kicked" or "strangled" it just because they work in areas where the animals they are dealing with are under stress, whatever measure they take to reduce this stress.

Yes but you have to actually get the muzzle on first and many owners of dogs with behaviour issues can't handle the dogs themselves so they expect the vet to deal with it for them.

I would either do what CM did and hold the dog as far away as possible from me or what Joedee said and stand with my arms crossed, it would depend just how aggressive I thought the dog was.

Sorry - I thought I had made my response clear in post 137....

The dog (IMO) would not have carried on attacking after that first reaction. hence once that reaction had happened I would have made sure the lead was slack and put distance between the dogs.