Cesar Milan with wolf dog Shadow General Chat

This program was heavily debated in the US when shown a few months ago- the wolfdog community was of an opinion that this and another dog claimed to a wolfdog were not wolfdogs at all, just cross breeds and that it was hyped by the TV company. There was much speculation that he nearly asphixiated one of the animals and that much footage was cut. Pleased to say I didn't see the show.

I agree with you completey!!!

I found that clip very distressful, and could not watch it again to confirm what I thought I saw, was the dog going for the lead more than CM? It looked to me like the poor thing was trying to free himself of his pain and discomfort, I also saw him swallowing alot because of the presure of the collar on his throat , it was also clear he was finding it very hard to breath

I would have attacted the b**tard too!!

IMO it has a Saarloos look about it, the long muzzle the lack of stop and the overall shape of the head. Its definately crossed with something wolfy.

Ive had a dog like this, here with me. He lived in Crete tied to a sewage pipe eating human ****e!. He was outwardly aggresive and had no hesitation in using his teeth. I did exactly what Ceaser did with him. I had no other option. I dont think Ceaser did anything wrong in this instance.

Why does that not suprise me, he is NO dog Whisperer

Aaaah calmed down now....... but still feel the same :twisted:

Yes, it is. I agree, I'm not at all surprised that the dog reacted as he did, after being kicked.

Here is a link to a previous discussion that included this episode:

http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?p=1583679&highlight=back kick#post1583679

Totally agree with this post, the dog was reacting to whatever was pulling him upwards, and you could see how tight that lead was becoming around his throat.

From what is being said here, the dog had previously attacked his owners. Personally, I wouldn't have a dog with that temperament in my home - end of - too dangerous. CM was brave to try to help the people out but he will always be criticised by some What's he supposed to do say "good doggy, don't bite me, there's a little love." The dog was out of control for heavens sake!

Thank you cheeky! The dogs he deals with are usually extreme cases that aren't likely to be helped by shoving treats down their necks and ignoring the bad behaviour. Whilst I don't agree with prong/shock collars from what I have seen and read CM just uses the equipment the owner already has and shows them how to use it correctly.

I could pull my dogs leads tight around their throats and they wouldn't bite me! This wasn't a gentle loving dog that was perfectly behaved until CM "kicked" it, it was an aggressive dog that the owners were really struggling with.

Or was it a confused dog fearful of its survival and therefore it's life, how would you react? Do you know the TRUE reason/s why he attact his owner? I would attack ANYONE that believed threatened my life, wouldn't you?

Is this the GAR husky? What exactly did you do?

Whats a GAR husky?

Have to say that's how it looked to me too

You strangled your dog to break it's spirit

Jeez I thought people had gone away from dog breaking !

You kept the dog this way ??

I've retrained a lot of so called"aggressive"/"dominant" rescue GSDs(& yes some of them were biters) & never had to resort to strangulation & some would have made this dog look quite sweet natured & small.

Sorry but brute force has no place in training dogs or any other animal.

There was a Husky type rescued from a `shelter` in Greece chained in a sewage outlet. Greek Animal Rescue were involved. Is this the same dog?

oh may be I dont know I have a picture of him, hang on I will find it out and put it up

Here you go



Shall I start a new thread instead of hijacking this one?

From watching the video the dog was walking with ceaser stopped and turned to look at the bc thats when ceaser touched/nudged or as some might say kicked him then the dog turned to bite he didnt strangle the dog then it attacked, he touched dog went for him then yes he did hold the lead tight- not entirely sure what else he was meant to do once the dog was snapping at him, even if you disagree with the touch/nudge/kick bit what would you have done if the same dog was trying to bite you just let go of the lead?

The clip also doesn't show the full story as we (the viewer) didn't get to see the dogs behaviour with its owners before this session or with the bc off lead, the owners had said the dog had bitten them so are we assuming the owners were already using ceasers methods as some people are suggesting the dog only bit because of that touch/nudge/kick? I have accidently stepped on my dogs foot before causing her to cry in pain but she didn't try to bite me and nor would i expect her to so why should this dog react to a touch/nudge/kick with a bite and not a cry of pain/shock?

I remember the dog - it was one of a group brought over.
Greek rescues are not housetrained (or any sort of trained) but they`re definitely not wolfdogs.

How sarcastic !

That dog was not totally dominant, you know nothing of how & why the owner was bitten. Unless you have personally dealt with dogs that have been "damaged"by their treatment at the hands of their owners then you have no idea of how to deal with such dogs. I certainly do not say"good doggy don't bite me", but I also do not manhandle dogs & "train"them using pain & cruelty(which is how CM uses his"illusion"slip leads)

Dogs do not seek to dominate humans & humans can never be their pack leaders.

I do wonder sometimes how naive some people are about dog behaviour & sadly how little they actually know about how & why dogs do what they do.

I've been involved with GSDs since I was 6 & my family's first Alsatian was a bred in the purple"Alsatian"who was a fear biter from a pedigree of very iffy dogs(despite the fact dogs in her pedigree were some of the top winning dogs of the 1950s). My first GSD was just the opposite, bred from German imported parents & a 150% temperament. She actually saved my brother from being severely attacked by the other bitch for no reason. The first dog was PTS because of her fear aggression. She was the only"Alsatian"we ever owned. After her came a succession of German/German bloodline GSDs. None of them had any behaviour problems.

He wasn't brave, he was making a point(very badly)on how to handle a so called totally dominant dog. I would have loved to see him try that method on my Schutzhund dog, but then he wouldn't have dared to, because my dog wouldn't have been frightened of him.