Wolf lookalike breeders Controversial

now come on, how soft a lump was mr inka to train..

I have never used an E collar in my life and find Ela to be easier to train then Cassie when it comes to recall . . . But then i had a husky to train with in my formative teenage years so most dogs are easyier to train then that!!

We treat Ela like a dog because thats what she is! I don't want a pet wolf i just like the look of these types of dogs more then any other. People that have a foxy looking breed are under no illusion that they have a dog so i don't see why the NI should be any different.

LOL Shona you wrote what I was thinking all very cringeworthy they seem to believe they really do have wolfs.

I'm no Ceaser but I'm sure you're only being sarcastic ;-)

Two reasons, the first being that people don't research the breed properly, they buy it for its looks alone. The second being breeders not grilling prospective buyers to ensure their pups are going to the right homes.

Banned from that forum but they haven't blocked my IP address on the laptop at home . . . .Will have to go and have a look tonight. All seems very cultish to me . . In fact has anyone seem that episode of buffy where they all turn into heyena's???

Why.........?

I wouldn't compare a Northern Inuit to a wolfdog to train.

Well arent you scared of Moto, licking you to death?

you clearly dont know me well enough yet!

yes I can be sarky, but you would know if I were being sarky,

I have a genuine intrest in training dogs, I run a training club, I have trained many dogs to do diff things, compeated in obed and so on,

I thought, as you have had some success training the breed you could poss pop a vid on and start a chat about it, as I have done on many threads,
If you look at many of my threads on these types of dogs, it would be from a training point of view, eg...how did you train yours sort of thing,
Im starting to see a fair amount of these dogs for training, its always good to talk to people who know the breed inside out and take advice and tips from them.

your post made it sound like you had very highly trained dogs, sorry If I picked it up wrong,.

That is a VERY sweeping statement.

I suggest you read my website and you will see that the dogs are NOT being portrayed as the perfect family pet.

Also, anyone interested is encouraged to come and meet the adults before deciding that they want a puppy. I want to put as many people off the dogs as possible initially, so that pups only go to people well prepared for what they are getting.

All my pedigrees and contracts for cross puppies will state categorically what the crosses are.

My contracts and puppy pack info also stipulate that owners need to socialise their puppies properly and attend formal training classes.

Breeders only play a part in what the end result of a dog is - the new owners also have a big influence. Nature and Nurture both contribute to shaping the dog.

True When I do the kennels in the evening he literally bear hugs me!! He's such a big cuddly boy...unless it comes to worming

this thread is about wolf lookalike's the NI has often been noted as one,

Also what do you feel is diff from the NI to a wolfdog,

I feel your taking these threads as being directed at one type of cross, there are many that come under the wolfdog banner,.

Normal training methods DO work. These dogs respond very well to clicker training - but some owners are not prepared to put the time in. Not just with this breed - I have seen it with many of the large breeds, including gun dogs. If you look at my website you will see I am promoting the campaign to ban these collars.

Me neither!

As for recalls being bad - to recall your dog you have to be more interesting than anything else around - so I guess that some owners just aren't that interesting

thats why I find it strange that some need to use an e-collar, yes gundog trainers are also well known for there use of them sadly.

I will have a peek at your web site in a mo

poss you could start another thread and post a vid of your lot training, where people can come on and discuss the methods used and chat about problems they may have had or methods they found useful.;-)

it would be so good to see something positive about these dogs for once, it would also prove that these dogs can be trained,

My bad. I wouldn't call them highly trained but yes, they're all obedient in simple tasks.

I just don't understand how anyone's dog of this breed cannot be/is not trained in recall. And why they resort (as you say, I don't actually know) to Ecollars (which i will say I don't believe should be illegal even though I've never used one) when to me clicker training is enough, they're such intelligent dogs, they pick it up so quickly.

I hadn't thought about posting vidoes to be honest. I'm not sure how to upload them but I could a picture version if someone had a particular problem that I had come across.

I would agree with that comment.

I have had NI for over 8 years and have come first in several obedience competitions at small dog shows (I don't do serious comps). We've also achieved KC Good Citizen - so yes they are trainable.

The NI have a "whats in it for me" attitude and weigh up the pros and cons of whether is worth doing what you want. They will also do things in their own time - "I'll come back in a sec - just want to finish investigating this".

I have only recently got into the wolfdogs and they are a different kettle of fish - and the two main wolfdog breeds are different to each other.

IMO the Czech is the sharpest of them all - VERY quick and eagre to learn. The Saarloos (ok only 50%) wants to please - but in his own time. He wants approval but is very sly and cunning (like a fox). Both are very observant and don't miss a trick and they are on the ball constantly, so keep me on my toes.

Clicker training is the best method of training, as it instantly marks the desired behaviour, so the dog knows immediately that it is right and will be rewarded. Even my trained NI still need their rewards.

The wolfdogs are far more independent and intelligent; I sometimes wonder who is training who? The wolfdogs are happier to be left on their own than the NI - who get hysterical if they are left behind.

However, I find the NI easier to persuade to do something that they would really rather not do, than the wolfdogs who are more stubborn.

I'm still learning about the wolfdogs but I am enjoying the experience.

thanks for that info guys,

can I ask what sort of training your doing with the dogs now?

There can only be three that come under the banner, a pure wolf x, a Saarloos x or a Czech x.

I don't have any experience in the former, nor do I ever wish to.

But to me, the biggest differences are that NI's are more hyper and bouncy (I guess due to greater amounts of husky), although highly intelligent they don't listen as much. WD's however are more laid back, listen more but are both more sensitive and inquisitive so can lose concentration.

I think you need more patience to train a NI than a wolfdog, that's just my opinion.

Sandra can I ask why you want to breed x breeds?

As I just dont get it. Seems you were kicked outta NIS and jumping on the next band wagon.