"Wolfdog awareness course" General Chat

Totally Mick

GSD owners will give newbies loads of support and advice....free! Even if they don`t want it!

sheesh thats a lot of money for doing something that other breeders will do for free. how much knowledge can a person learn in one day to make it worth it? the price of a 6-8 week dog training course cost about that much, wouldn't that be more beneficial since they are supposed to be no different than other dogs?

And when you're paying only £50 for an Orkney collie-dog' the course would be only 2p ???


Snorri
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Its a good idea, i like it.
If this is being done on a one to one basis i dont think £80 is a lot of money to pay either.
Of course these guys are out to make money, its their living, we all need to make money, an eight hour day with one dog is only £10 per hour, personally i wouldent work for less than that myself.

But my issue with this is they claim these dogs dont have issues and are just like any other dog when they are clearly only for experienced handlers unless you stick a electric shock collar on them.
They cant have it both ways say they are easy and normal but then say you have to go on special course to understand them.

I agree with u 100%

When i worked in a rescue kennel I saw many breeds and cross breeds coming in, and messed up cos their owners didn't have a clue what they were doing, it was heartbreaking! If these people had taken part in a workshop for the breed or dogs in gen, I bet these dogs would never had ended up where they did, and needing the rehabilitation they had to have before they could be put up for re-homing!

I think the emphasis should be on breeders to find the CORRECT home for their pups in the first place, rather than whoever wants one, which clearly appears to be wrong on so many levels, this goes for any breed of course.

I wonder, kcjack would you have such a big prob if we were talking about horses, and a stud farm doing the same thing? Or dog behaviouests/trainers that charge money for doing what they do, at the end of the day these people are making money from dogs also, some of them charge £100's for just a few hrs?

Yes I agree, it is not just a wolfdog thing it is across the boad!

The prob is knowing who is telling the truth, as people tend to tell you what they know you want to hear, it is very hard! Mistakes will be made, but as a breeder it is your responsability to do what is needed i.e. visits, advise or take the pup/dog bk and find it a better home. Thats why I think workshops for prospective puppy buyers is a good thing, they will see for themselves what the dogs are like and not just think they know better.

But dont you think breeders should be only too pleased to spend time with puppy buyers and them not have to be charged for it? When my friend sells their pups, they ask people who have visited at least twice and are certain they want one, to spend an afternoon with them, teaching them about coat care, training etc.. They wouldnt dream of asking for money! Its just a business to some people though isnt it.

I agree yes, I do the same as your friend. But I also think it would be good for them to attend a workshop and get a cert at the end of it, personally I think everyone should do this and no breeder should sell a pup to people if they have not taken part and have a cert to prove it.

PMSL yes who issues the certificate, which world class dog trainer is teaching at £80 a day?

And as i have said to you it has nothing to do with this thread does it? It is about Wolfdog awareness course, not me

You have answered all of mine have you? have you turned into Nes

Did I mention "world class dog trainer"

Editied to add - You need to have a licence for a tv, so why not a dog or just a cert to show you have done something to learn about dogs before you get one, surely this would lessen the amount of dogs that end up in rescure kennels so therefore would be a good thing?

Ok will lower my standards then which qualified dog trainer?

quote cheyenne,
The prob is knowing who is telling the truth, as people tend to tell you what they know you want to hear, it is very hard! Mistakes will be made, but as a breeder it is your responsability to do what is needed i.e. visits, advise or take the pup/dog bk and find it a better home. Thats why I think workshops for prospective puppy buyers is a good thing, they will see for themselves what the dogs are like and not just think they know better.

i agree that the workshop is a good idea.
about breeders telling you what you want to hear, isnt there an element of the breeder and anyone else who owns a lovely breed telling you how it is from there point of view. i have had the wonderful opportunity to be surrounded by 20 wolfdogs at one time and having no problem whatsoever with bad behaviour, aggressive tendancies or anything i didnt like and absolutely nothing to suggest anything i couldnt cope with.this i beleive was due to the way they had been looked after.now if thats how the dogs behave for the owner and for someone meeting them you may think they are the perfect breed.for that person they are.maybe they are more of a pack leader than the next person and thats why they are able to maintain that leadership and that level of good behaviour with that breed. it is about leadership at the end of the day and if you arent educated about any breed then you may encounter problems.
also you get the numpties who totally disregard what the breeder has told them and think,what nonsense and that they know how to train a dog,that the dog will be okay left alone for hours and fed the wrong food and that they wont chase anything.so how can the breeder tell whether someone is genuinly going to have taken on board what they have said.
i think you just hope they have.

also by attending a training day you know they are genuinly interested in that breed and how to get the best from it ,rather than bye it cos it happens to look like a wolf.
fantastic idea and what a wonderful business, getting paid for something you are passionate about.