If NI are so unhealthy................... Discussions

Yes, I see, well I for one am interested to know if she is or isn't a judge.

I took Cloud on because you wouldn't take her back - she was to be rehomed but was in a bad way when she came back and it took time to build her up again - you know that. By the time she was fit and in good condition I decided I would like to keep her and arranged with her previous owner to pay for him when she had a litter - but as we know that didn't happen. She cost me a fortune at the vets but I don't begrudge a penny spent on her - it would have been stupid to risk breeding from her and risk producing more blind pups. You might be happy to continue breeding Rivershey pups from her dam and her sister and that is up to you - but I took the decision not to breed from that line again and I believe it was the right decision.

You are just trying to discredit me so you can continue to breed from that line. You are not fooling anyone. I just hope in future you will be a responsible breeder and take your own pups back.

Whats that supposed to mean? I have enough dogs of my own without taking in other breeders dogs that they have washed their hands of. Why on earth would I want to take in a bolshy male unless it was to use him at stud? I have enough neutered pets of my own without adding to them unnecessarily.

I didnt ask anyone to take on two of my bitches - she offered and did very well out of it.

I hear you intend breeding another litter from your aggressive bitch.

Who to believe?
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A couple of questions suzy1b - what virus was it that caused seizure, necessity for caesarean and cataracts?


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Originally Posted by suzy1b
You took cloud on as your own dog and didn,t offer her previous home a penny, you then tried very unsuccessfully to breed from her as you took her to stud when two of your other dogs had a virus which then spread to one of your puppies and nearly killed her, Cloud had a seizure and your words to me were that if she has epilepsy I am not paying for the meds I will have her put to sleep, it wasn't epilepsy but the virus that was rife in your kennels and because of that she had a cesarean ( oh yes and the virus could have also been a cause of Scouts cataracts along with the deficency in his diet) and we know the rest - poor pups! After Cloud killed her pups you didnt want to risk breeding from her again so sold her on, at no point did you even bother to tell me that you had planned to sell her, so no Sandra another of your many lies she was not my responsibility you made sure of that, as I said earlier you used me and my situation to your own ends it was always about money with you and always will be, dont try passing the buck now.


I took Cloud on because you wouldn't take her back - she was to be rehomed but was in a bad way when she came back and it took time to build her up again - you know that. By the time she was fit and in good condition I decided I would like to keep her and arranged with her previous owner to pay for him when she had a litter - but as we know that didn't happen. She cost me a fortune at the vets but I don't begrudge a penny spent on her - it would have been stupid to risk breeding from her and risk producing more blind pups. You might be happy to continue breeding Rivershey pups from her dam and her sister and that is up to you - but I took the decision not to breed from that line again and I believe it was the right decision.

You are just trying to discredit me so you can continue to breed from that line. You are not fooling anyone. I just hope in future you will be a responsible breeder and take your own pups back.

If you didn't ask for your bitches to be 'cared' for by someone else, why did you let them go?

Ref the bitch that you bred, that you are now accusing of being aggressive, I guess you have a strange idea of aggression, (or you are trying to discredit someones dog for your own reasons) , said aggressive bitch running with a pack of mixed sex dogs:


Doesn't look like the act of an aggressive bitch to me!

But on the subject of aggression, how is Echo getting on? I heard you have to crate Echo when people come over to see you new dogs, as she is indeed 'aggressive' !

'In order to prevent the authorities taking Wilo and to keep her and her pups safe - I moved her to a friends kennel to have her pups.

In the meantime her hip score came through - very much delayed - and her hip score wasn't sufficiently good to breed from her again - although they weren't bad enough to effect the quality of her future life. Had I kept her and bred from her again I would have been slaughtered by other breeders and I already had four neturered dogs at home, so I decided the best thing for her was to find her a nice pet home where she could have a full and happy life. I sincerely hope that is the case.'

SC 'RFUK'

Why would the authorities have taken Wilo and her pups, if you were doing things as they should of been done?
Why didn't you have Wilo speyed before she went to her new home, not where she went to have her litter, the home she went to after that? The home above. I hear she has since been rehomed, yet again, is this true

1.The specalist treating clouds son said that the type of cataracts he has are not caused by genetics but are congenital or nutritional cataracts due to lack of the amino acid arginine in artificial milk given to hand reared puppies, another cause could have been from the virus but not as likely as the arginine deficency, these type of cataracts are more common to northern type breeds that have been hand reared.

2. I have explained about Cloud and my situation at the time, I was not in a position to take any puppies back my house wasn't even really livable for 6 months due to flooding. you hoped to gain out of her as you have stated you do not take on waifs and strays, you cant afford to ,you wanted to make a bit of cash but in the end she cost you well thats Karma for you! IF I ever do breed any more puppies (and thats a big IF) then I am now in a position to take any of them back, past pups included.

3. The bitch I have is not aggressive, she walks regularly with other dogs off lead and is happy to do so, she was attacked by your Echo several times as a puppy and had her face bitten by her and did find it hard to settle when Echo was around, eventually she got over this and is now a very settled and sociable dog.It is Ironical that you are now using this to get at me as it is you who have bred from an aggressive bitch many times,Echo does have to be kept in a crate when people are around, she has gone for a few people, she even went for my sons face,granted she had 4 week old puppies at the time but to go for a childs face is not really acceptable by anyones standards.

Why were they on her back do hers live in crap dirty kennels like JKs?

Yet you said Merlin was aggressive with people and showed us a picture of him loose withdogs and obviously people around too! deary me, you need to do better!

BUT Ni aren't a Northern Breed!!

Personally I think it was more irresponsible of you taking your son in to see those pups!!!! Of course a bitch is going to be protective of her pups..WHY was your son near enough to her to enable her to do that!!!

But thats different..Dawn..its always different when "they" say it

Why don't you think they are a Northern breed? Just curious as to your reasoning.

The same could be said of others

Because they are a cross breed

Anyone who lets there kids near a whelping bitch needs their heads seeing to.

Hopefully not off topic.

Strikes me that rather than not breed from current stock, putting them to wolfdogs still brings in the money especially when you call the resulting crosses 'hybrids' and try to destroy/discredit the full NI.

Didn't NI start out being called hybrids, wasn't that a big issue? Seems to have gone full circle and regardless of what is said, simply adding in hybrid to the name implies to Joe Public it is a wolf cross and not a dog cross. I think that is irresponsible and will encourage the wrong type of person to get them. Instead of pit bulls, it will be hybrids as the next macho statement.

So a crossbreed can't be Northern? There's about a 101 'Northern' dog breeds, are you trying to say they are all purebred right through their history? Don't they all belong to the Spitz family?

Question on cross breeding and out-crossing. Are these the same thing?

It's been confusing me because of the talk of out-crossing for health reasons. I thought out-crossing was breeding using a breed which was in the original make-up; for example, add in a full GSD with an excellent health line to the breeding programme.

Cross-breeding I thought was using a breed that has never been included before. However, these would not be hybrids, they would be dog crossbreeds.

Out crossing, is within the same breed but unrelated lines as opposed to closely related lines or line breeding. Cross breeding is using dogs of totally different breeds.

They aren't a Northern Breed... who says they are?? JK cos she put the word Northern in the name and name them after "people" who disagree with their name being used like this..

I'm not arguing about the Inuit bit, but surely if their make-up is mainly from Northern breeds, then they are by default a Northern breed.
They look like a Northern Breed
They have characteristics that seem typical of some Northern breeds.

Just for arguments sake, if you took a Mal and a Sibe and crossed them to create a new breed. Wouldn't this be a Northern breed? Personally I think the Northern tag is quite appropriate, as they are a mix of other specific Northern area breeds.

But saying all this, it's only my opinion. I'm not trying to state it as fact.