If NI are so unhealthy................... Discussions

I think enough has been said about poor Merlin, he has been dragged through the mud enough hence why i gave a very brief key points to his story to fill in Liz. As Brodie has nothing to do with this thread (out crossing Ni) and i know nothing about this other then the normal playground he said she said i am not going to comment . . .

You know I am not lying.

How many people know that you are such a 'good' breeder that you flatly refused to take back any of the pups you bred?

I took in two for you - which is how I came to have Cloud in the first place as she was in such a poor state that it took time to get her back into good condition, by which time she had grown on me.

Another that I took in and rehomed for you I also delivered her to her third home, as you didn't get involved with that one at all!

I also rehomed the one in Guernsey that you were asked to help with. So maybe you should get your own house in order before criticising others.

Regarding Merlin - he was given to me as a stud dog and his first owner was kept informed and knew what happened with him.

As Borderdawn has said - he was Mahlek through and through as are my original dogs - and no, JK didn't give me any paperwork with the pups (I didn't get Sky's paperwork for two years!) so I took JKs advice as I believed at the time that she knew what she was talking about - it was only since we compiled the database that the truth came out (no wonder she didn't want to hand over any records).

ALL good breeders should take back their pups..IF they won't or don't they have no business breeding in the first place!!!!!

Razcox said:
"I have not picked on Marie, but i do disagree with breeding from a very close realtive (mother,brother, son ect) that has a disease where the mode of inheritence (sp?) is unknown. And i will disagree with however does it, its just not worth it. Can't see where i have said different TBH."

I am saying:
Any line with epilepsy should be stopped immediately, not just breeding from close relatives. Epilepsy can be complicated and without a test, it is impossible to know who is, or isn't, a carrier. It is further complicated in these breeds because the pedigrees are questionable so there is not sufficient data, coupled with the fact that there are many denials and lack of sharing of information.

Mode of inheritance is not known (in this breed) and may differ even between breeds. In some cases only one parent needs to have the disease gene responsible for a puppy to be a sufferer:

Different types:

recessive - needs two copies of a disease gene to have the trait (one from each parent).

dominant - needs only one copy of a disease gene to have a trait, usually from an affected parent.

polygenic - a number of genes causing the disease.

autosomal - gene is on the non-sex chromosoems

x-linked - gene is one the x- chromosome (males have one x and females have two x chromosomes)

My sentiment entirely - its not always convenient but if someone doesn't have the room to take back anything they have bred, then they shouldn't be breeding.

So you are denying posting on the NIS forum that you were thinking of rehoming one? I really can't be bothere to trawl back and find the posts, but they are there.

Sometimes things are said in frustration, but I don't ever recall seeing either of them in the rehoming section...

When Ami eats all my toilet paper, I frequently tell her that I am going to send her to the chinese restaurant down the street ;-) ...does that mean that I would ever actually do that? Not a chance on this blue earth, as, even in frustration, I love her to death.

Jem has done a good job with Isis and is working really hard at doing the best for her dogs, its more than some others can say...

THINKING about it when I had problems with Isis as I couldn't cope and thought it would be best for her to be in a home where people had experience of dogs like her, but as I have put in a lot of training and effort in she is now fine and is happy and healthy here!
There is a difference between thinking about and asking for help and actually doing it because its the easiest option!

Yet more lies.....

You couldn't wait to have cloud as it meant you could breed from her and gain some money, due to your lack of care you didnt make a penny.

The pup in Guernsey was nothing to do with you at all,once again a bare faced lie she was rehomed by someone who already had one of the pups from that litter and she went to the rescue centre to collect her herself quite where you think you came into it I dont know! I spoke to the resue centre and the new owner myself you didn't feature.

On ONE occasion one of the puppies could not be taken back the house had flooded and had lots of building work being done, you couldnt wait to get your hands on that one either and probably resold him.

As for poor Merlin I am sure you don't want me to tell everyone how he bit you and your daughter who had to get social services involved as you didn't take steps to prevent further injury. then you sold him to be used as a stud dog knowing he had bitten , he was then moved on again to an unsuspecting family where he attacked the owner and had to be destroyed.

You are a liar and constanty twist things. You are just trying to deflect from your own bad practices by telling WHOPPERS....

Funny enough, I have heard this exact story a few times before by different people...and its been consistant every time, and yet her version doesn't seem to be consistant by anyone but herself...hmmmmmm...

but, again, she will say how sorry she is...and then everyone will fawn over how good she is for admitting she did wrong....

Everyone being the very few people left that she hasn't lied and upset over the years I am not the first and I am sure I wont be the last.....

I try not to post on these threads where can be helped especially when they become so off topic and personal but I do follow them and hope I don't get shot for jumping in at this late stage.

With regards to Merlin I don't think anyone is really qualified to pass judgement on exactly what went on. A lot of what happened is purely speculation as I'm sure no one knows exactly what went on in every single one of the homes he was in that could have contributed to the final outcome. I have never personally met Merlin but I do know one of the homes he went to and this sort of owner is the sort of person that could turn the nicest of dogs a bit hyper and/or snappy let alone a potentially already highly strung or badly treated one so who can say whether things such as his temprement were naturally bad or whether it was a more the result of inappropriate placings. In a different home(s) with the right treatment and an experienced handler who's to say he wouldn't have turned out a very different dog, I don't think its possible or fair from what I know and have read to to say that it was the definatly the result of his breeding or one particular person I think it was more than likely down to several varying factors and not nessisarily anyones fault, just one of those unfortunate things that could not be forseen.

I agree with Raxcox in this instance, this dogs name has been dragged through the mud enough. I don't think we will ever know for sure what caused his demise and keep bringing him up isn't going to change anything, I think its time the poor boy was left to R.I.P.

And Merlin?

Also mentioned as being through the mud enough, make sure to read the whole post before rolling your eyes at me!!

Why? You have owned an NI type for less than 1yr and you have been fed your info from people who wish to protect themselves and what they have done, why would I not roll my eyes at somebody so obviously blinded by whats in front of them? You bought from a "good" breeder who bred from a patchy bitch then withdrew it from breeding because of a high hip score, ethical, moral or just plain greedy???

I DONT own one and have formed an opinion on EVERYONE through research and finding out histories and past doings about people who abuse dogs for their own finanicial and egotistical gain, I have no axe to grind, you do!

I am with you on that one, I really think it is well over due to leave this lad to R.I.P.

:-( AS A NOVICE OWNER, to this breed i would just like to add i think n.i , b.i, cwd,searloos etc are all much the same ,my lovely dog has lots of health issues and its heartbreaking. i just want to add please all breeders out there think of the dogs and the owners who buy them of the heartache this causes:-( .

Im sorry to hear that, can I suggest you contact the breeder and tell them as it may be unwise to continue breeding from related dogs depending on the problems your dog is suffering from.

my breeder knows my veiws on this my dog was bred from a stud that shd never have been bred from who has since died at only aged 4yrs, fills me with a lot of confidence for the future of my dog .:-(

Im sorry to hear this too. If the stud dog died of something inhertied they should be ashamed of themselves if they could of tested for it or had knowledge prior to breeding from him.