If NI are so unhealthy................... Discussions

Nobody likes it, I think Dogsey has seen it all, many times.

I enjoy your comments so much, however i think you underestimate how much revenue the NI threads bring this forum (no offence Azz)

Thats very true.

I think it's more about giving people enough rope ... and people will see what is really going on. Afterall, freedom of speech has not done the groups any favours so far.

Uneducated ? I am sure you know my educational background, not that it has anything to do with this thread!

Even you said Luna went back to you, 'unexpectedly'!

But as people have said, this isn't really relevant to this thread. So I for one, will attempt to stay on the topic of the thread.

Good.. Finally!!

No I don't know your educational background, why would I?

I was referring to your uneducated comments on the matters you are making assumptions about.

Yes Luna came back to me - so why is Marie being accused of rehoming her? She wasn't her's in the first place.

Will we be seeing you on rogue traders on tuesday sandra or will they be doing a special episode just for you?

Oh, sorry - I thought when you said "culled (in the true sense of the word)" you did mean killed! I've just never heard it in that context before - as in being taken out of the breeding program. Glad that's cleared up though!

It just annoys me when people say things like, "inbreeding is fine so long as the breeder knows what they're doing". What, can they eliminate its negative effects after they've read a book on genetics?!

define: culling - The removal of inferior specimens from the breeding pool, through sterilization or other means.

I think too many people just know culling as killing...but really its whenever a dog/animal goes to a "pet only" home...as the former is not, obviously, acceptable method


I don't think inbreeding is fine, but some (and I stress only a few some) line breeding is okay...But I think that you really have to know the temperments/health of the particular lines that you are going to narrow down...and that you should have a plan for introducing more diversity after said line breeding. I don't think its for the novice breeder, as, you are right, many things can go wrong and the novice breeder will just be standing there with a dumbfound look wondering why it didn't work the way they had planned. If a breeder has years of experience, or at least a mentor with years of experience, they might be able to see why some matches are better than others when considering line breeding and what will be the expected outcome. Yes, it is trial and error, but if you have some knowledge while you are doing trial and error, you might be able to make good decisions based on prior knowledge...

That's my opinion, anyway...going off of what I have learned from books and other breeders. I am sure not everyone will agree...and maybe when I learn more, neither will I, but for know...with the current knowledge I have, this is my belief.

So are you going to answer questions that I have asked (as below), as well as the ones other people have asked?

Cheyenne - perhaps you could answer this, how many litters have you bred apart from the unsuccesful litter you had to give away due to the high risk of epilepsy? do you consider yourself to be an experienced enough breeder to be breeding NI with Sarloos or CWD?

Yes I could, but why should I answer anything you ask Ursula, when you yourself are hiding behind lies. Oh yes and are refusing the except that there maybe cataracts in your line. You bred a bitch that produced a pup with cataracts did you not, and are still breeding the bitch's Dam and G.Dam with no regards to this problem, or the temperment issus of the G.Dam?

Not only were there cateracts but the pup had to have its eye removed and is fast losing the sight in the other eye - good enough reason to stop breeding that line.

Incidentally, Marie, you have bred more litters than Urs and have more experience too since your mum bred dogs for years (just because your other litters weren't NI).

If I were you, Marie, I wouldn't waste your time arguing with these people - they don't know what they are talking about and just love making assumptions and accusations.

No Nes I don't think I am clever!!

You stated that someone in the Mal world had said they could see Mal in the NI..

I happen to KNOW the people and thats not what was said..and you know it..

You also said a Mal owning judge may or may not have said anything about it but then coulnd't answer the name of this said judge..

What is being clever about that??

It's simple Nes..don't tell lies and you don't get caught out!!
If that makes me "think I am clever" then so be it..

More lies about dogs you have no idea about, Scouts cattaracts were confirmed by the specialist that they were not hereditary in any way, BUT probably due to deficiency's caused by being hand reared, this unlike your info came from Scouts owner who learned this from the specialist who has been treating him, NOT from SC who was probably responsible for not feeding him correctly in the first place, like she was responsible for letting the dam escape twice over to kill all but one of her puppies, this is why people dont believe anything SC says because not only did she LIE about this, she has lied about many dogs and I am sure will continue to do so.

You know that the cataracts were not genetic why else would you rehome Scout's mum without having her speyed?

All this from a person that can not even be honest about her name or location... Just remember I have met your dogs, and I also remember you saying that you would not breed from one of them because she is so dog aggressive, even though you had already bred from her once.

On the contrary - as you well know that there are cateracts in that line.

Scout's mum couldn't be spayed before being rehomed as it was too soon after her season but she was rehomed on the condition that she would be and I understand the owner was planning on doing that as soon as possible.

You believe what you want to - but you also know that the pup was given colostrom and was reared on Whelpie.

The dam did not escape twice - she jumped out of her convalescing pen once and attacked the pups - so get your facts right.

The litter was reared as recommended by my vet - despite my misgivings about possible eye problems and I was assured by my vet and several others since that hand rearing was not the cause of the cateracts.

Being as the great grandsire was blind in one eye from 'blue eye' then it is more than likely genetic.

Hey ho - you are prepared to risk continuing the line - whereas I did the sensible thing and stopped breeding that line. You just won't face the facts that you are breeding from a dodgy line.

I was happy to join in on this thread when it was on topic and people were still being civil but it has now come down to the level of the playground!!!! I understand its hard when people are being dishonest ect but all this he said she said is getting no one anywhere.

I think this thread should be closed as its now a place where personal issues are being discussed and not the issue at all. There is a reason why we have the PM feature can we try and use it please . . . .