If NI are so unhealthy................... Discussions

To Marie:
I wonder if it is simply that you missed this genuine and important question (above) and that is why you haven't answered. Or if maybe at long last you are realising that there is a risk (one that maybe you wil realise, before it is too late, is not one worth taking).

There you go hun both my threads about her are updated and funnily enough truthful

Nop I haven't missed it and have answered... Keep up love

Your arrogance explains to me why my dog's breeder continued to breed and I now hold you in the same regard I do her. It is a question I have often asked myself - why would she? - and cried over because HER arrogance and ignorance produced Loki and our problems.

I could pour out my disgust to you but there is no point, is there?

I pray to God that in these days of pc and regulations, somebody will finally come down on unscrupulous 'breeders' - like you - who risk terrible diseases and conditions, in order to realise their own ambitions - and prosecute them.

I've tried so hard to reason with you but to no avail. People like you make me despair.

My heart goes out to the dogs you will breed.

The only need to breed from her is money I know that Marie hates it when I say that but Marie, we keep asking how it will benefit the dogs and their future owners and you cannot answer, we urge you not to do it because of the risk that you yourself highlighted and you completely disregard the possible pain and heartache we have highlighted. So there can be only one conclusion, I am afraid to say, Money

Hmm, strange after my post. Well there you go hun. Well done to the vet for telling you she is not due in season.

I've done it so im not dragged through the mill for lying

Instead of keep digging at Marie, Nes, why dont you answer some of the questions put to you about the breeders you defend and support? Or is it easier for you to pick on just Marie? Come on Nes, how about it?

Nes you ask so many questions yet answer NONE!!

Wasn't there other bitches rehomed due to temprement changes after one or two litters and nothing was said about that?? Yet someone else does it and she is treated like that..

DOuble standards again!..

LOL I've asked her 4 or 5 times to give me the name of this phantom mal owning judge that may or may not have said anything about NI having mal in them and stillllll not got an answer..yet She has asked a million and one q?s on that thread too...

Full of questions but no answers...cos answers get found out..and answers give you the truth..or enough lies to help you find the truth

Unbelieveable isnt it, wont answer anything put to her, but keeps on at marie, joke!!!!

good point. werewolf doesnt appear to like answering questions but is more than happy to fire them at others.. my advice to Marie would be not to answer any questions fired at her, why should she have to answer to people? seems they just like to have a go at her... isnt that nice of them.

Perhaps because she comes onto this forum and states her intentions regarding her dogs - intentions which some find abhorrent.

Perhaps, also, you would like to state your 'beef' with Werewolf - because you seem to have some kind of issue with Werewolf on every post you make.

Maybe you want to flick through maries posts n then you'll see why people have issues with her

Dogloverr, do you have some sort of vested interest in these wolfdog cross breeders as apart from 2 posts , all your posts are to nitpick on these wolfdog threads,do you own, or intend to own one of CR's dogs.

That seems like a really strange thing to say. Why would they be killed? There are many NI that aren't to type, but I've never heard of any beeders culling? How can you say that it would be a waste of time? If you could create breed renowned for its health, how would that be pointless?

As long as research is done - what do you mean by this? Knowing what certain bitches/sires/combinations of lines throw through trial and error (and a lot of puppies), crossing your fingers and hoping for the best?

Most breeds have associated inherited conditions - even the vizsla and shih tzu. It is hugely well documented that inbreeding = bad. There are hundreds of papers, all coming to the same conclusion. Examples include: cheetahs that have problems reproducing, aggressive cancerous tumours in tazmanian devils, tribes with two toes, Turkish villagers walking on all fours - there are so many! The health conditions associated with some breeds are just another indication of the problems caused by inbreeding.

Pedigree dogs aren't all affected by hereditary conditions now, but is this inbreeding/line breeding sustainable? I don't understand why you'd (not you personally) want to go down the same, antiquated, flawed route with your new breed (in an age were we know about genetics)? It would appear that some really careless inbreeding has already gone on and some dogs are already exhibiting inherited health conditions - why make the same mistakes again?

i actually have no problem with anyone and think these dogs are gorgeous but i do see a lot of direct aggression. "why you doing this? why you doing that?" etc..
it seems a good place to pick on people, and it looks like poor Marie seems to get a lot of flack on here for some reason.

Come on then, introduce yourself - what dogs do you own? And why are you obsessed with Werewolf?

As for Marie, from my point of view anyone who breeds from a dog that is from epileptic lines is mad and revolting! I will not mince words - there is no reason for it and it is a disgusting thing to do, to inflict this horrible condition on more dogs and owners. I will never condone it.

I had sympathy for Marie over poor Bailey - I'm sure you know of Bailey as you are obviously a mate of Marie - but it seems my sympathy was misplaced - for her to ignore that and continue to forward her ambitions to breed from Nanuq - REGARDLESS of the risks - makes me sick to my stomach.

Read her posts n you'll see

I responded to your questions in bold because it was easier to follow.


I think that many NI breeders, the reputable ones, at least, are doing as little line breeding as possible. But that's just what I see on my end...I am not saying that ALL are doing it, but many.