Got my Rotts pedigree today... General Chat

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EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO AN OPINION

just like to add krazeykev if you read back through this thread you will find that most people on here are doing the same as me in giving their opinion. we do not know the dog but are going on info given by all three parties.
good night all

at the end of the day what callum does with danny is his buisness and got nothing whatsoever to do with anyone else after all its HIS dog.im just fed up with people giving useless opinions on a dog and situation that they realy know next to nothing about..and if that upsets some of you.2 bad..

yes and if things dont go well I may well be moping up the mess from all of this a year down the line, when the dog may have been passed from home to home, then suddenly someone contacts me. As said its my name on the paperwork

I would just rather take the dog now as callum has already raised concerns over the dogs ability to do the job, his ability to travel, it would save such a lot of hastle at this stage to sort it out.

the fall out from this IF there is any will land at my door or that of the bitches owner,

lets face it callum refused to even tell me who had him as a rescue, I had to find derpiper through my own searching,

Dont get me wrong I know she has done everthing she could for the dog, at the time of rehoming him she didnt have the paperwork so did not contact me,

but keep in mind the normal thing that would happen between show handlers if someones dog turned up in this situation would be to contact the breeders.

Sadly that option was not there for derpiper.

the first three dogs on that pedigree belong to me,.
Darcguard Trademark
Javladare Louise
Armagret Itza rotter {now at the bridge}

Its just a pity the paper work was not there for derpiper prior to him being homed.

and what harm is it causing anyone to voice their opinions on here you cant come on to a PUBLIC thread and say they have no right to an opinion.
if callum didnt want any opinion given over his dog then he would not of posted originally- if these opinion were supporting callum wholeheartedly you would not be here saying these things-you would be happy people agreed with things planned. if callum does not want any opinions he should say so but by looking back at his threads he has been very polite and answered queries etc and not with the attitude that some people seem to have

DerPiper I will give you a quick call tomorrow, im off to bed my head hurts x

my last word on this just now is to callum

IF callum would be willing to KEEP danny if things didnt work out as a pet, I could feel a lot better about this

Callum could you do that?

So, KrazeyKev - you have trained your own dogs for security - excellent, how were they trained, what type of security? How experienced are you? How many dogs have you trained - how many have failed? It's not nice when they fail - everyone is concerned what would happen to Danny if he failed!! I thnk you will find that Callum has actually been very open and it has produced some good discussion and ideas as well as questions.

What do you do with your dogs when they fail?

I don't know the dog but Calum has posted info on how he came across it and the basic situation it was in. Surely if you are experienced then you would look at it with a practised eye and make your mind up.

Also - the lines Danny comes from are not predominantly working lines in that they are all soft as mud (soz Vinnie but you are a big teddy, lol).

As a dog trainer, security person - you should really be advising that Callum went to an approved seller of dogs that have been either full or partial trained in security. There is more to a security dog than looking hard on a lead. Also that it would maybe have made better sense to attend an approved course such as BIPDT, NASDU, ASET level 2 - most of the companies running them can provide a dog for the duration of the course with the option to buy.

I would also be questioning niaivety in purchasing a dog for the wrong reasons - i know, i done it - awww poor dog, i'll just take it on and see what i can do.

Callum - apologies - this was not to slight you - as i know you do have a course booked and i hope you enjoy it and learn loads. Just as an afterthought - Callum have you tried Ginger for helping with travel? You just grate a bit and sprinkle it over food. Also, if needs be, i can pm you some good trainers who will not rip you off.

Is this a playground? Over and Out...

This is my final post regarding this matter...

I took on Danny when no one else wanted him and after he basically "attacked" me on our first encounter.

I then passed him on to someone I thought I could trust but turns out they had blatantly lied regarding their qualifications. This must be the open and honest stuff K9wotsit is harping on about.

This has turned into a flippin circus and I wonder if anyone really does care about Dan a fraction of the amount I do. This situation is making me ill to be honest and I will just say ta ta as I seem to be the bad guy in all of this. I will never regret having Danny and will always think well of him. You can argue it all out till you're blue in the face...good luck.

I've read through this thread and seen the other one I feel sorry for Shona as if it all goes wrong it will be her name that will be dragged through the dirt but i also feel incredibly sorry for Callum he has taken this dog on and has given him a good home, he didn't ask for all this and he hasn't commented for pages n pages.
Why couldn't have this been done privatly instead of on a open forum?
New members have joined to comment on this thread but yet it was mentioned that you have all spoken on the phone so if it was all done on the phone why is this thread still going?
As long as Callum keeps danny and he's happy n healthy I personally dont see a problem.

Surely the dog must have shown some spArk to be considered as a propect for security work?????

If vinnie is as soft as, isnt it possible that the bitch was abit harder, & he has her temperment or that of her ancestors??????.

Although Obviously Shona would have knowledge of the bitch.

I've just logged on and caught up with this.

I am sorry however to say that I feel your comments are rude and disrespectful.
As Callum pointed out to me he joined Novemeber 07, so therefore like the rest of us he is aware that this is a Dog Forum. That word means a place where people can advise, be helpful, give opinions and hold discussions.
Now IMO if Callum, didn't want anyone to have a opinion that differed from his, that he should never of posted his thread in the first place.
As for you coming on and making opinion about ''People should keep thier noses out'' ''keeping thier opinions to themselves'' and ''people giving useless opinions'' ''and if that upsets you 2 bad''......how rude are you.

I take exception to your comments, people have given thier own thoughts on this which they are perfectly entitled too as they see it.

Sorry there is no-where in the rules that say we all have to agree with the person who posted. If there was it wouldn't be a forum.

As for you having dogs for 30 years, I have worked, trained and owned dogs for 47 year a good 17 years longer than you, but I wouldn't say just because I spent some time with a dog over a period of a few months that ''I know this dog'' sorry but you never really ''Know a dog''

I think you should apologise for your aggressivness as that is what it was.

I have been dragged into this involuntarily where it has been stated by some members that they have got the wrong end of the stick about my part in the Danny saga. I joined, merely to put my point across in this forum. And I see nothing wrong in that what so ever.

Derpiper, I do not see anything in your posts that suggest anything but your kindness with Danny.
I do not see anything in Callum posts to suggest anything but kindness either....albeit that I am probably not the best person to agree with what dog make a security dog or what breed.

But I do take exception to someone coming on the forum and making a generilised wide sweep about people keeping thier noses out.

As I said if this was not open for discussion then it should never of been brought up in the first place, if was training my dogs to do something and I wanted everyone to agree with me I certainly wouldn't post it on a forum asking for opinions.

I have seen NOTHING in your actions that suggests anything but a person that was kind enough to rescue a dog out of a situation (I have rescues myself) and I commend you for it.
But I do think the other person who came on should at least say sorry.

Totally agree with this post, specially the highlighted bits.

Sorry DerPiper;, I dont feel you have been dragged into this , I feel you have felt the need to come and give your side of the story... and I for one appriaciate you taking the time.

I also, now given the true facts (from your side) do not hold you responsible for any ill doing to this dog.

As you say, people got hold of the wrong end of the stick, from the other thread posted by Callum, and the where abouts he got the dog from.

In the other thread, he said, he has rescued, (not his words) the dog from an abusive family... hence the comments though out this and the other thread.. regarding..not giving the dog back to the person he got it from.

The trouble with forums, is we all form opinions on what we read.. and the information we are given... if people choose to leave out chunks we cant be responsible for inaccurate opinions.

I am sorry , you feel picked on, with this, but I think I can speak for most who have commented on this thread.... there is no negative feelings towards you.

You did what you thought to be the correct decision , on this.. you acted on the info you where given, and you cant really do more than that.

I hope you stick around, like Shona, you have experience in this breed, and for the breeds sake in this current climate... it would be a shame to lose such people.

His dam makes vinnie look hard, Lyken is a very sweet natured girl, she lives as a house pet, the chap that has her works security with dogs, {gsd's} when I had mentioned danny was to be used for this type of work he also said his mother has no where near the drive for that type of job. He knows his bitch and he knows the job he lives it works it daily,.
He also runs a boarding and training centre so I have no reason to question his view.

lol BNang goes that theory then!!!!

A general purpose police dog is required to perform a great number of tasks - from bringing down a fleeing criminal, to finding a lost child, to performing a demonstration in front of the general public, to standing firm during crowd control at a football match etc etc etc. As far as I am aware, a security dog is required to bark and bite?

I wouldn't have said security dogs need to be *tougher* than police dogs, ie in defence of their handler. A police dog handler works very much on his own (with his dog!) and back up is often 15 minutes or more away.

In my experience, security dogs are often the dogs that the police reject as not having what it takes.

Not sure what my point is here

At the end of the day, what should be kept in mind is what is best for Danny. If Callum were to keep him, whether Danny worked out as a security dog or not, then I don't think anyone here would question that. The sticking point here is that poor Danny has already had a number of homes and so surely the best thing for him would now be to secure a permanent, experienced home for him?

Sometimes its good to ponder!