German Shepherds - English v German? Controversial

I would say probably English lines - pet or obedience. Lovely dog. Do you have his pedigree?

Nope not really :? Certain lines have a certain *look* (quite hard to explain) :?

She is gorgeous Claire ... love doesn't need to be blind! ;-)

Yes because dogs that do not pass the Korung(breed survey)are deemed not fit to be bred from & if they are bred from the puppies will not be registered & TBH in Germany no one wants unregistered GSDs as they cannot do schutzhund & so the dog tax has to be paid in full(dogs with working qualifications have a reduced dog tax fee)

But the longhaired dog I sent the link to is in the UK?

The German dogs in the pedigree are from showlines not Schutzhund lines-all GSDs in Germany have to be at least Sch H I-unless they are herding dogs & then they will have HGH after their names

Anyone can put their dog on the database, his German lines are Show Lines not Schutzhund & in Germany he would not be passed for breeding.

He hasn't got a good enough hip score for breeding IMHO & his mother hasn't been hip scored(well there's nothing on the KC's Health data base for her.)even if he had the correct coat I wouldn't never consider a puppy by him as his pedigree has too many unscored dogs in it & no Haemophilia tested ones

A lot of the info on PDB is not correct, a lot of those dogs in the ped it says A stamp have not been done under SV but under the BVA system;
KAZETI ANJA Date Scored 27/09/2005 6/5 11
DOB 19/07/2004

VIDEX DIETA AT KAZETI Date Scored 11/03/2004 5/5 10DOB 19/11/2002

GAYVILLE'S SAMMO AT KAZETI Date Scored 27/09/2005 7/14 21 DOB 14/08/2004

GAYVILLE JUTA Date Scored 29/11/2001 5/3 8
DOB 08/11/2000

GAYVILLE DOLLA Date Scored 28/10/1999 5/6 11
DOB 04/10/1998

GAYVILLES FANTO Date Scored 03/08/2000 7/5 12
DOB 27/06/1999

GAYVILLE ZANDRA Date Scored 11/06/1998 9/12 21
DOB 19/05/1997

GAYVILLE'S NILO Date Scored 03/03/1995 9/4 13 DOB 29/09/1993

VOKO VOM MONCHBERG (IMP) was also scored under BVA aswell as SV (Both systems) date scored 30/08/1996 8/10 18 DOB 23/01/1992

As you can see some of these should have never of been bred, theres a few 21, with one being extremely uneven

Plus none of the BVA ones except the import have been elbow tested.

Which dog are we talking about now - the Nyrvana dog or Yogi's sire? Sorry, I am getting a bit confused! (not helped by being woken up at 4am by an over excited one year old! )

So what does the SCHH stand for?

SchH stands for Schutzhund

Hmm that is what I thought, and is in the left hand corner of many of the dogs in my pup's pedigree on the database :?

That is because dogs shown in Germany in the Working Dog class (dogs older than 2yrs) must have one working qualification title at least SchH1

don't tempt me

no, he wasn't from the greatest of places if you know what i mean for all i know he may not be full gsd, although we did see both parents.
he was very tiny when we got him

Some information that I have Moobli

Schutzhund titles (ScH1, ScH2, ScH3) from dogs prior to 2004 and VPG titles (VPG1, VPG2, VPG3) are indicative of a dog's temperament, particularly at higher levels. To train and perform solidly at the second and third levels, a dog must be very self-confident and bold - not aggressive or fearful.
A VA or V-Auslese is given only at the Bundessige rhauptzuchtschau (annual SV show) and is considered more than excellent. This rating is reserved for only a few males and females in the working group class.

Don't know if that is of any help

Hi the Norshep lines are from England and most of them have competed in working trials, I have one Norshep bitch just now who is 10 now, There are some all blacks in the line but mostly black and tans, hope this helps

Ahh of course, I get it now :-D Thanks!

Thanks, it was Skilaki asking, so I am sure she will be interested to know you have a Norshep bitch. Do you compete in WT? Whereabouts in Scotland are you? Oh - and please post the all important piccies of your dogs :-D