Wolf dog shot in head General Chat

Sorry to hear about the dog,I agree it would of been very distressing for you and her.

Well a few things disturb me about this.

First this dog was bought as a commodity and its first litter died, not a good business investment. It seems convenient that this particular dog became aggressive and 'had' to be shot.

The cameras are on all the time was any prior aggression recorded/seen?

What actually made this dog aggressive, it could have been the circumstances.

I don't know all the ins and outs, but it worries me if these dogs can be so aggressive they have to be shot, why they are being sold as good temprement and easy to train. Shy and submissive. Now the shyness (wariness) here turned to aggression.

There is no reason why someone should not have dogs as stock and many a litter will die particularly if they are delivered by Cesar.

There is no reason why someone should not have a dog they deem dangerous or unsuitable for purpose humanly put down.

We may not like it but it is none of our business and I prefer that to some of the things I have seen supposedly dog loving owners do to their animals.

So have you changed your mind about Charlie Richardson now Kc, not so long ago he was the best thing since sliced bread...and as I said already all thats happening there is he is allowing just another wolfy type band wagon...

Dawn did you actually witness how agressive this dog was or are you going on hear say ?

Convienient, how? He could of kept her and mated her again, they only come in season once a year, it wasnt or isnt like he is breeding every six months from every bitch.

The cameras are on a few kennels, the outside concrete area and inside a couple kennels, they are installing more so people can see the dogs in the grass paddocks too. He said that she was shy, but displayed no aggression to begin with, shy is very typical of a Saarloos. He has since found out about the bitch being previously attacked and other things which he had no prior knowledge of.

Spot on, excellent post.

I am going on what I have been told, just like everyone else has. Given the circumstances, IMO he did the right thing.

Would you shoot a BT for agression ?

I have only said how immaculate Charlies kennels are in comparision to JKs which is still true that hasnt changed,
but I find it worrying that she was so bad she had to be shot and that she had already had a litter.

So many Saarloos experts!

I found more info and I am alarmed at the 'seven Saarloos bitches ... are, in varying degrees, quite feral' statement. With this particular dog at the most feral end of the scale.

Surely it is important for breeding that temprement is known and bred for as well as looks? How can temprement be assessed with feral dogs and what would they teach their puppies.

I could understand how a dog attacked by other dogs could become dog aggressive, however, isn't it unusual that it would become people aggressive?

I doubt people on here would be so sympathetic if an NI got so aggressive it had to be shot would they? However, I've not seen any NI aggressive to humans personally.

Exactly why people are questioning things, knowing they're not experts!

They've always been portrayed as shy and submissive, it is a shock to hear what has happened here.

As an expert yourself, should we expect this type of thing as the norm?

Dawn would you shot a BT if it became agressive ??

She's not costing anything now.

Superb post.

What I find frustrating is there are NIS members jumping on this yet they dont stand up for there own breed and speak out.
I do think think there is a slight power difference from a Border to a Saarloss. Most of us could restrain a Border but not a Saarloos.
I wish Charlie had been honest as now it looks like he has something to hide.
Why is honesty so hard?

Thank god someone has spoken out about this.
Julia I know we dont get on but thank you for bringing this up x

The question still begs an answer from Dawn Kc x

But its a silly question, I work in a vets and its easy to restrain a JRT or small dog in comparision to a nasty Leonberger we had in.

Saarloos require a great deal of understanding, they can be very shy and with dogs that are already mature can take a lot of time to adapt to new surroundings, they pack bond early in their lives and are less quick to adapt to new people in later life, that said it is possible with the right approach. What appears as aggression can be fear. One should not confuse under-socialisation with people as the same thing as being feral. Though I have known one or two who would appear untameable.

Temperament in the Saarloos can vary considerably, from shy to aggressive with humans that they dis-like or who have teased them etc, where a dog might forget a wolfdog has a long memory.

I don't know this particular dog but if I had I would have spent sometime with it before giving up. I might have consulted with the original owner or returned the dog. There are always options available.