18 month Pitbull (type) General Chat

What is ethically wrong is the people who breed these dogs

If you want to be angry, be angry at them, they are the ones who are breeding an illegal breed or importing them illegally into this country... they are not brought in for the pet market... they are bred for one reason and one reason only to fight.

And that is the simple fact of the matter.... they are illegal!!

You ask whether we would like it if our own breeds where added to the list... of cause we would not.

If for instance Boxers where added ..I would be devistated and angry. but as when the Pit was outlawed would have to except and obey those laws , as owners did 15 or so yrs ago...i.e muzzling and licencing, till they lived out there natural life.

But would I then go against the law and buy an illegal dog... no I would not, 1) because I would be supporting an illegal trade in dogs... 2) I would not like to live my life being in fear of having my dog taken away to be PTS.

Actually, its not a dead cert that this dog would be classed as section 1 type.
Or that even if he was, that he would be seized and euthanised.
He would need to be assessed by a DLO.
I know some DLO's who can give benefit of the doubt.
The picture could go either way.
It doesnt 'appear' to possess the 2 main characteristics of long leg and neck. Although the eyes do look a little elliptical.
And he does 'appear' to have the pit 1 to 1 head length.
Is some aspects, he looks to have the chunkiness of an amer bull, when pits are slender.
Its hard to tell, i keep having to reassess.
But you cant really judge until you see in real life and in movement.
He could be a borderline case, which is where his behaviour comes in, not to mention good character and responsibilty of the owner, and the area/environment he lives within.
With all that in mind, he could be handed in to the police, get an assessment, then be exempted under subsection 4, with restrictions in place, such as muzzling, leashing, neutering and microchipping.

So people on here are right to advise the OP caution on how he advertises and manages this dog.
But it is not an automatic foregone conclusion that this dog would be assessed as section 1 type, and that he would be automatically PTS for being section 1 type.
To the OP - i say, ask for this thread to be deleted. it does not work in your legal favour.

To be honest, dogsey, nor anyone on this thread, myself included, is where you need to be turning.
You need those whom work as experts in this field:
which is deednotbreed, Trevor Cooper, BBAS.

Or stop telling people he is a pitbull as you are drawing attention to him.
I agree if breeders didnt breed them there wouldnt be a problem but its not the dogs fault he is here.
If they decided GSDS were on the DDL would you take your dogs to be put down as its law?

As far as I can remember, it didn't work like that for pit bulls - so why would it for GSDs? PBs in this country when the ban came in had to be microchipped, muzzled in public and on a lead, and neutered, but were then allowed to live out their days with their families. So, no, I wouldn't take my dogs to be put down.

That's how I remember it too...so no , you would not have to take your GSD to be PTS.



What I dont understand is why people are trying to find ways around the law to excuse the ownership or breeding of these dogs..

Don't tell anyone he is a pit!!!! , lets hope with these wise words, the owners of such dogs dont live to regret, their decisions...

O yes I forgot every pitbull eats people and dogs

If a muzzle is fitted correctly he should not be able to remove it - I have to say a known fighting dog being walked without one by a child is a recipe for disaster and very frightening thought ,...... is there not also a law against minors walking dogs? Or was it just an idea that was toyed with a while ago?

If my dogs were injured by a dog - whose caretakers knew it was an ex fighter AND an illegal breed AND being walked by a child - I have to say I would be reporting to the Police - as would I am sure most responsible dog owners - if you want to do the right thing for this dog - I think you need to minimise any chances of incidents happening .,..

We have already been informed that it is not reliable with other dogs

Nobody said they they did.. but you seem to be forgetting the most important thing............they are illegal

And as said this particular dog is already iffy with other dogs.

Well she needs to take every precaution or if she cant contact other people for outside help.

IMO from those pics he doesn't look pure pit for me but that's not what the authorities would say, he wouldn't stand a chance as he looks pit 'enough'.

If you google APBT images there a lot of similar colours to him and you can see the difference in looks. I know of a few around here and he looks nothing like them but again, am only going from the pictures posted.

http://www.crossapbt.com/CrossAPBT109.jpg

"Also, this vet is one who assists police prosecute dog breeders by officially identifying breeds as illegal/legal in court - trustworthy?"

No offence but no, not really.

Well said, totally agree. Now the OP has been pointed in the right direction hopefully some of us have been of some help to him and the dog. None of us can say or tell him what to do and none of us can assess the bloody dog from behind our PC screen, just because he is 'iffy' with other dogs he should be PTS? How many of us on here have or have had dogs have been 'iffy' or would even outright attack another dog if it had the chance?

No one right?

He has been abused for crying out loud, of course he is 'iffy' and he has every damn right to be, doesn't mean he would kill does it? Or is that being said because of his 'type'? Maybe he just doesn't like other dogs because he has been subjected to turture his whole life by others and not because he is a pit? Would you be saying the same if it were a rott or staff who had been used as a bait dog? I very much doubt it. Has anyone here done a temperament test on him?

He might well likely be better of being PTS but he might very well be absolutely fine in the right hands.

Anyone remember the story of Wallace the pit? Still doing well I believe.

I knew a lot of pitbulls in South Africa, and to me this dog doesn't look pit. Pit type maybe, but not pure pit. The ones I knew would come to all the horse shows and wander around off lead with their owner. Not once were any of them involved in a fight, even when the little terriers hassled them.

Good luck with this boy. I do hope you manage to secure him a safe and happy future xx

as it happens, colour is not one of the considerations for DLO's when identifying a section 1 type.

Ive watched this thread and quite honestly I cant believe how many people are saying what to do with this dog. If there is ANY doubt as to what the dog is, it should be dealt with by the proper authorities, ESPECIALLY if it has been used for fighting. (doesnt look like that to me)

Pit Bulls and that "type" are illegal, period!

This or any such dog does not have to be a pure pit... type is also illegal.. and this boy looks of type....and that is what will matter it is as simple as that.

The OP has taken this dog on, she took the responsibility for him, and it is her responsibility to make sur he does not end up in the wrong hands.... Which she is trying to do, and I respect her for that.

It does not matter what we say on here, whether we advise deception or euthanasia.. it is down to the OP to decide.

But the whole point to this is these dogs are illegal... end of.


Yes you are 100% right in the fact that all breeds /dogs can be iffy.. I have one here... and I dont preach what I would not act on myself.

If I owned this dog... and I could not keep him, given his breed, temperament there is no way in hell would I pass him onto anyone.... he would be PTS....for his own protection once you hand a dog over you have lost control over his future. We can never be sure it will stay in the right hands... and to be honest these dogs and type usually do end up in the wrong hands.

If I was ever in the situation I could not keep Millie ..it is also in my will.... she will be PTS... there is not a chance I would ever re home her.. she is mine , my responsibility and it is my duty to her to make sure she is safe ... and to me , being PTS is safer than ending up with the wrong owner, or being passed from one rescue to another.

People may not agree , but then she is not your responibitlity.. and the same goes for the dog in this thread.

Ths is not a "I hate pitbulls" view it is simple whats best for a dog... opinion, and that is mine.

I have to agree with Borderdawn. I have been really amazed at how many people have suggested that the "Pitbull" word should not be mentioned regarding this poor boy. Honesty is a must when re-homing/deciding what will happen with him. Whether there is Pitbull or not in his breeding, he needs proper assessment by professionals, particularly as there is suggestion he has been used for fighting. Imagine if he is Pitt (whether cross or purebred) and has been used for fighting - in the wrong hands/situation, the outcome could be devastating!

Let me add, I love all breeds of dog but powerful dogs such as this one, need to be homed with the greatest of care and if he is Pitbull, the law should be followed, in my opinion.

Yes but its alot of ifs isnt it?
My springer had severe dog aggression he would of killed another dog no problem but I didnt have him PTS as managed it very well and took every precaution.
I just personally could not condemn a dog to death without very good reason. There are thousands of pitbulls 's living in this country and I strongly believe its the idiots that own them not the dogs.
As long as he is managed properly and not allowed on own with kids and dogs this dog could lead a normal life.

How can anybody take on that responsibility. It only needs a door to be left open accidentally ..................... no need to say more:-(

I do see both sides after Ellie Lawrenson I think everyone has that fear, but I am torn as also think about the dog.
I would never ever leave my son with an adult pitbull. He could live a rural life and live out his days. Maybe I am forever the optimist.
My friend has a pitbull x beagle and he is the most gentle dog in the world a true gent with kids and dogs and they have had him 8 years now. They got him when he was 2 from the RSPCA after an awful start in life.
I can see this dog being PTS unless someone in Ireland can take him.