Do you think there is any Mal in the NI?? Controversial

Well JK made up the origins and you all beleive her story!!

We never will know the truth..cos the people that started it were looking at money not creating a breed..if they were doing that health tested and recording would have been done

And would be now too..!!

how could you call Lupi a misfit, hope he wasn't listening

Talli is fine, same as ever, big, dopey, couch potato

The information about the Mastiff came from someone who worked at the kennels at the time, this person has no reason to 'invent a history' as they were there with the real one.

Has anyone got a picture of 'Buck' that they could post. Buck is on the pedigrees of my NI, and he looks nothing like a NI.

this is the only pic i`ve seen of Buck... why the hell they used him in the first place god knows... seeings as they didn`t want patchy coats, curly tails and soft ears.

try to find out tonight for ya ...did mention the line before but I have completely forgot, started with an M no help I know but I will defo get back to you on this...

I should imagine he was the closest looking what they thought 'wolfy looking' dog they could get their hands on at the time for the project?

So what was Buck? He looks like a purebred piebald Sibe.
Did the original breed standard for NIs outlaw "patchy" coats (ie piebalds - which are perfectly acceptable in Sibes)? Or did this come later?

Mick

But why is it so hard for some people to believe there is mal in the NI?
Even if it was along time ago or mal wasnt used as much as GSD or husky there is still mal in the breed.

Why is it there could be mastiff or other breeds in the NI, but no mal?:?
All of the info of the breed I have come across is very simiar or the same as this
History
In the 1980s several Inuit type dogs were imported into Britain and bred with Northern dog breeds such as the Siberian Husky and the Alaskan Malamute, the German Shepherd Dog was also included for training purposes, the resulting dogs became what we now know as the Northern Inuit dog.

The info I have come across with the fact that I personally feel I can see mal in the breed, makes me feel mal has been used amoung other breeds to make up the NI.
And by the looks of the pole so do alot of others.

Obviously everyone has there own opin and thats great, but thats mine

Just come back to this thread. The thing is , as has been pointed out , none of us know the real origins of the breed. There is much , he said , she said, they have no reason to lie etc, but who are these people It is easy to make up stories , lets have some proof...................Who said their is Mastiff in the NID? to say 'this person' doesn't quite stand up. Now names of legitimate people , that would be more like a start.....

I think all anybody can do is view all the websites, forums and look at what is presented before them, some will believe one set of people, some will believe another.
Its not unlike a court of law in some respects, you look at the evidence before you, you decide who is a credible witness and who is not and return your verdict based on that.
I was very keen to find out the history of the NI dog and i have now after 18 months of looking at sources of information come to my conclusion on what i am prepared to believe. My only interest in NI dogs now is lineage of my own which i will continue to seek until such time as i come to a conclusion on that as there are many discrepancies within their pedigree's.
If only it were as simple as - ask a question - get an answer that everybody agree's on.
If everybody gave me the same answer i'd happily believe it was the truth or have no reason to doubt it.

Fair points there Liz xxxxx But there is alot that is not backed up by anything, other than hearsay, that is something I, personally, find problematic

Oh i agree totally it is a problem but what choice do you have other than to form your own opinion based on what has been put before you after listening to all sides after a period of time?
In some murder cases people have been wrongly convicted and its not been found out until 20 years later and others have got off on a technicality when everybody knows that they really done it.
The most important thing here is piece of mind for yourself. Reaching your conclusion is the hard bit to decide who or what you believe, then you can move on knowing you reached the best conclusion at the time with what was presented to you and be able to live with your decision, its all you can do WW.

Yes , indeed xxxxxxx

Can you tell me why you think there is Mal in there?

seems the majority think there is. i personally am not sure. id say no, maybe there were some mal mixes but then again Eddie Harrison apparently had lots of dogs and if she could get hold of saarloos back then and a wolf (or 2) i dont think she would have a problem getting a mal.

I still think there isn't..unless it was a really bad example of one..

Don`t forget one which was owned by a Dogsey member which was from EH and somewhere along the line apparently changed from being Timber Wolf x Husky to Timber Wolf x Mal and was used at stud to an NI bitch, [ but the litter sold as Utes ], so logically some of EHs others from that studs litter and his and their progeny are more than likely in the NI melting pot as well, so if she was indeed using Mals then the answer most likely has to be yes to Mals being in the NI.

Liz I agree with you on people getting off in court, it definitely happens, I would be a nightmare on a jury it would take me months to weigh up the evidence.

My opinion on what went in EH's dogs is based on evidence from someone I have met. This person worked for EH and has photos and film of EH's dogs. The NIS used a couple of EH's wolf dogs to start the NI.

Also I base my opinion on being open minded and listening to all sides of the story, not just accepting the first version I hear.

I think yes there is Mal in the NI based on seeing photo's of Eddies dogs

LOL they regulary change breed Patch..but thats one of the reasons I don't believe there is..cos what they say was a Mal could have been a cross

can someone poiint me in the right direction of pictures of these dogs?? as I haven't seen a pic yet that makes me think.."hmmm there could be Mal in there"