Do you think there is any Mal in the NI?? Controversial

I don't think we'll ever know for certain. There could be Mals in the origin of the breed and if it was just one or two poorly bred Mals that were used in the creation then it is perfectly feasible that most of the traits they passed on were diluted by the level of GSD/Sibe content.

I personally can not see much if any Mal in them now, however I can not say that there was never any Mal added.

To be honest, I wouldn't say the dog in the link was very Mal like. I would say it looks like a Mal cross but there are too many points that aren't correct for it to resemble a pure bred Mal (head and topline are two prominant ones). However I guess to the GP or people not in the breed they might mistake it for a poorly bred Mal? I have met some Mals that resemble Sibes more than Mals!

There were 'huskamutes' mentioned in the initial breeding I think.

I had never heard of the Innuit before coming to dogsey and not intending to stir anything up, but genuinely because I was curious, if Kismet managed to get herself in pup from a GSD, or if I deliberately sought this crossing, as a huskamute/gsd cross what would separate her puppies from the NI and what would stop me from selling these pups as 'Northern Innuit' type, or 'wolf dogs'? ... Also how long down their lines would it be before I could apply for NID membership?

I never got a reply...

Still curious... (I am not planning to breed Kismet).. But curious as to the current breed policy regarding fresh lines and out breeding...

In answer to this poll though I have voted yes.. I can see how you could get a NI looking puppy from a Huskamute/GSD crossing. Maybe something else in there for the yellow eyes...

The founding breeder.. Edwina Harrison.. owned many sibes too... so i guess they were used in the original breeding.

I think it would be set out on a star system.. from what i gather from the TIDA`s site... if Kismet was bred to an NI... then her pup to a NI etc. etc... i think it takes 4 gens to get back to pure NI again. (if there is such a thing)

Some NI groups allow outcrossing but the NIS does not. You wouldn't be able to register the pups with the NIS as their dogs have been purebred only for a long time now.

I'm voting 'yes'. According to JS, it would only take a few generations to get a pug shaped head from a GSD shaped one so just because you can't see mal in NIs now it doesn't mean that they were never used. As I said above, the NIS has purebred NIs to NIs for a long time now and as they are bred to look like NIs and not mals, it's not surprising to me that they don't look like mals.

As I said, "no reputable breeder of good quality dogs (of any breed) would consider their dogs being used in such a project."

But they still look like dodgy sibes, so, if there was Mal in them, why wouldn't they look like dodgy Mals?

Mick

Given the original breeders Mick.. the mal used probably wans't a mal at all.. probably just a large sibe.. but it had the look so why not.. or poss a mal x sibe....They certainly don't share anything with a Mal now.. thankfully

I know nothing about Mals but do you think the photo of Call of the wild on the NIS website looks like a Mal x or a Husky x GSD or none of the above?

He doens't look like a Mal... he looks like a husky coloured GSD

There were two Mal 'enthusiasts' who popped to the TIDA show is Cumbria, they were convinced they saw Mal in some of the dogs. Then there was the Judge at the Durham show, who was a Mal owner, but I can't remember if she commented on it or not.

Mick, can you just clarify, are you saying all NIDs look like dodgey Sibes?

Well I will ask them what they thought and see what they have to say;-)

Oh and what was the Mal owning Judges name??

I have asked them and what you state is nowhere near what they stated LOL..I am awaiting permission to post what was said

Can you answer this for me please Nes??

Nes.... could you answer the question please???

Yes - all the NI's, Utes and Tamascans etc that I have seen just look like very badly bred sibes or sibe/GSD crosses to me:-( . A lot of the extremely badly bred sibes we get through rescue could easily pass as NIs.

http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=95331&page=4

Mick

I think in there somewhere there is a bit, though I agree they lack the build of a mal,

And yet this Mal owning judge still has no name..

Funny that!!

I don't see mal in them myself, it may be there or it may not. i vote no

Are you refering to the ones you have seen: in the 'fur' , so to speak?

Yes - and most of those I have seen photos of on Dogsey and elsewhere. There are a few that look more GSD than Sibe, but these seem to be in the minority.

Mick