Also take a look at this site: http://puppyalert.googlepages.com/petshops Your dog's breeder is listed here. Also they say: Is it possible for a 12 year old bitch to have puppies - anyone? Beagles live on average for 12 - 14 years.
Hes a wee cracker ....(BET BUTTER WOULDNT MELT!);-) All the best with your beautiful new dog ...keep us posted and more pics soon as!!!lol
I'd noticed that about Lowri Jane myself. Can't imagine for one moment that a 12 year old beagle is still having puppies and if she is that downright terrible. Thanks for the other links, I'll have a good look at those tonight. As for butter wouldn't melt!? Nor does any food he manages to steal from us!!!
to me he looks beagley! we had a harriers Pack near us when i lived on Exmoor, & he looks very different to them! http://www.mineheadharriers.co.uk/ The internal bit of the website is currently down, but theres some dogs on the first page
DLRC has been known to register pups with DEAD dogs as the sire/dam!! SO nothing given in the pedigree from them can be taken as truth!
The only recognised affix here is GILCORU..the rest are all 'pet bred'. Hes lovely...if I were you I would rip up that totally useless piece of paper and just enjoy him. I agree with many others...he looks more like a poorly bred beagle than a harrier.
As Dawn says there are a some inaccuracies in there that i have spotted before (but it will be helpful as a rough guide) Dawn, Can i ask what 'issues' within the breed are you refering to ?
could he be a harrier mixed with a beagle? cuse he does look very beagle-like!! absolutely beautiful!! it's a shame that thats happened though, sounds pretty dodgy...
When you say the two you have seen most prominantly who is "we" and how many have you seen with these defects? Also, where did the Beagles with these problems come from? Did they come from reputable breeders or puppy farms? If breeders, then which ones? The reason I ask is that Beagles are generally considered to be a very healthy breed. My vet often comments on what a healthy breed beagles are (appart from their tendency to get very fat!). As Beagle owners ourselves, we come into contact with LOTS of Beagle owners and of course hear all the gossip about Breeders around the UK. Appart from one or two isolated incidents of health issues in certain lines it would seem that there are very few problems. I'd really like to hear more detail if your experiences tell you otherwise. But more specific info as your experiences are so far out of step with accepted knowledge about the breed that it really does need to be qualified if it's to be of any use. Obviously the people who would be interested in your information are people that are looking to buy Beagles. You're probably aware that the Kennel Club has a scheme that breeders can join that requires them to test for any known health problems in the breed. A breeder friend of mine tried to join the scheme but was told there are no tests for Beagles as there are no known health problems. You really ought to contact them if you know differently. I don't see any reason why people shouldn't provide them with any info they have about any breed. It would be irresponsible not to, and as the sources of info would be checked for accuracy it's the safest way for people to find out about any health issues with the breed that they're hoping to buy.
Not aparty to the ABS thanks, the more you breed the higher up you go!! The health issues I mentioned are from very well show bred animals. The dog with the heart defect was diagnosed by a cardiologist and the owners have been told, he could drop down dead at any time, he does however lead a fairly normal life at present. In the breeders defence she paid for the referral. However they then offered them a much cheaper puppy from a subsequent litter, its the most OVERSHOT (said under before one was over) mouth I have ever seenm his underjaw is so short he struggles to pick things up. I also board another well bred (unrelated) Beagle who has severe Epilepsy. He would be about 9 now and I have boarded him since he was a pup, he developed Epilepsy about 2yrs old. Please dont insinuate I dont know what Im talking about I do, I care for these animals on a regular basis I see the heartache the owners regularly face with them. Re your point about tests in certain breeds. That applies to many many breeds, just because there is no test for certain diseases doesnt mean they dont exist, look at Epilepsy for example. The heart defect may just of been unfortunate, however the owners didnt find that to be the case upon research.
The American Beagle club claim the following are the most common health issues in Beagles. There is Beagle bitch on another forum who was near paralysed with a back problem a few months ago, she is I believe well bred and under 2yrs old. This is from the BEagle Association. As I said just because things cannot be tested for doesnt mean they dont exist.
I didn't insinuate anything. I asked a direct question for which you've given a direct answer: You board dogs and know of: - one Beagle with severe epilepsy - one Beagle with the most overshot mouth you have ever seen - one Beagle with a heart problem. - one Beagle with a back problem that you read about on another forum. Thank you. This extra info helps people to judge for themselves how extensive and represenetive they consider your experiences of health issues in Beagles to be. I'm not undermining your experiences in any way...just trying to qualify them.
Perhaps the info would be better viewed in a thread on Beagle discussion and not this one then? Its a lot of poorly dogs to know of one breed really, at least in a small "circle" but the Beagle Association and other Beagle clubs in the UK also note Epilepsy and back problems, so they must be a recognised problem, but like I said they cannot be tested for, another reason why I dont like the KC ABS.
This is the problem and the reason why I think it was important for you to qualify your experiences. You know very few Beagles yet many of them have health problems. It's understandable that you'd form that opinion.
can someone pm me the link i can only find food and stuff... i cant believe they are selling dogs like that
I dont think its a problem at all I actually think its awful! I havent "formed an opinion" from my experiences alone, the Beagle clubs both here and abroad share my opinion on at least two health issues.
I was referring specifically to this comment... When you said the two (health problems) you have seen most prominantly it sounded as if you'd come across lots of cases which was why I asked you for more information. However, you've since told me that you've seen one case of each. I can understand that you thought these were common problems given that you'd only come into contact with a few Beagles. That isn't actually true. You quoted the Beagle Association out of context. Here's the unedited statement from the UK Beagle Association: http://www.beagleassociation.org/#/beaglehealth/4531824712 Beagles bred in this country suffer from few health problems. Neither heart defects or undershot jaws are listed and it mentions that other conditions that are associated with Beagles are less common in the UK. I *believe* that American Beagles are less healthy. Now people reading for example that hip dysplacia is reported in Beagles might assume that the problem was similar to that in breeds such as Labs and German Shepherds. This in fact is not the case. So you have to read these things in context. Hip dysplacia in Beagles is something I researched in depth as I wanted to know how much exercise it was safe to give my Beagle pup. Of all the Beagles I know and have heard of I only know of one case of hip dysplasia and the dog in question wasn't the slightest bit bothered by it. None of my beagle breeder/shower/lover friends had heard of any other cases of hip dysplacia in a beagle. I'm in scotland - maybe it's a little more common amongst English breeders? But it can't be that common, as whilst the KC require that many breeds are screened for Hip Dysplacia as part of their health scheme it is not required in Beagles as they rarely suffer from it IN THIS COUNTRY. I believe it's common in American Beagles. I think it's very important for breeds to remain healthy, but incorrect information about the health of breeds doesn't help to achieve this and it doesn't help people like me to find breeders that consistently produce healthy dogs. I understand that epilepsy is threatening to become a problem in Beagles if breeders don't get on top of it. Which is why I think that regardless of peoples feelings about the kennel club it's important that all incidents of health problems are reported to them. They can't do anything about problems they don't know about.
