Northern Inuits Questions

It is getting late and I have to go to bed (working tom) away from personal arguments etc I hope a good thing comes from tonight:

We have a devoted owner here who has has a dog with epilepsy, and one whos dog could be affected, appealing for carriers of this condition not to be bred from. I agree. If breeders believe their dogs to be carriers the responsible thing to do is NOT TO BREED from such dogs. PLEASE DO NOT BREED IF YOU SUSPECT YOUR DOG MAY HAVE THE CONDITION OR BE A CARRIER. I can only imagine the heartache connected to having a dog which is affected or maybe affected. It is trauma for the owner and the dog itself.

Yes I did say that and I stand by that. A bitch may become protective, but not aggressive in the way the advert appeared to indicate, like possessive over PEOPLE not puppies as she would be when raising a litter!

Part timer! Its my day off tomorrow (today!!) Im watching a film called "Monkey Shines" at the min.

Lucky you having a day off. Unfortunately I also have to work tomorrow so will say good night. xx


Wolfie also asked me to say good night everyone as she had a powercut due to the weather. xx

So you think I would breed from Nushka if I thought she may be a carrier of epilepsy or was aggressive (or any other undesirable trait or health problem)?

You've surprised me Dawn, I thought you knew me better than that, guess you don't

Thanks abbie

Bloody lightning cut our power out just as I was about to post Oh the joys of being a country bumpkin

Marie, you're on with regards to the rabbit hunting ;-)

He He i wish me and Cassie could join you with the rabbit hunting, she would woop both your bums!

Ela has to wait until she is bigger to join in

Having had a dog with heart problems which made him pass out I can sympathise with your feelings it's like waiting for a bomb to go off {{{hugs}}}

What I dont get is how Wolfie and Werewolf are so concerned of the health of NIs yet post nothing on the NIS the biggest culprits.

...and that's got what to do with this thread???? I guess you've seen EVERYTHING I've posted on the NIS forum then? Are you insinuating that because YOU haven't seen anything that I've posted on there about the problems that I'm not as concerned as I say I am? Unlike you, I refer seeing concrete evidence that there all these health problems in the NI breed and not just go by he said/she said. With regards to the pedigree's, the NIS know full well what my feeling are on those and yes, I've posted about it on there too.

The difference between you and I Julia is I take things on face value until I find out differently, and I need a lot more to go on other than someone posting emails and telephone conversations

No Corrie thats the point, I think you will do whatever JK tells you too, like so many others. Nushka is very closely bred as it is, Id run a mile if I saw a pedigree like that and I was considering buying one from the litter. Im speaking honestly, I have much respect for you as a person and certainly as a dog owner, I just cannot for the life of me see why you would look at such breeding and think it was ok, then consider breeding from such a dog in future, its madness!

Then you don't know me Dawn. I WON'T do what Julie tells me to do if I think it's wrong, or anyone else for that matter. Contrary to what's been said, I AM NOT one of Julie's 'sheep' and have a mind of my own, and one that I'm not afraid to speak of either as you well know. I'm grateful that I have the help of good, established breeders (only one of them being a NI breeder) a good vet and any other qualified person I can get help from. So no, I won't be doing what I'm told too.

With regards to breeding, isn't it now up to future breeders to make sure things are done RIGHT to try and help the future of the Northern Inuit. I don't agree with close breeding and anyone that knows me will tell you that. There's a lot of the pedigree's that I've seen that I find quite shocking but again, it's down to future breeders to make sure that these mistakes aren't made again.

With good and extensive research into the pedigree's and health checks of future stud dogs/brood bitches I do think that this can be overcome eventually.

Harsh as it may sound, given the almost unbelievable "history" of the breed, I think the only realistic and sensible future for the Northern Inuit as a breed, is extinction. Responsible owners need to accept that recovery just isn't possible - the breed is too flawed. It's a bit like trying to patch up the superstructure of a building whose foundations are not only rotten, but standing on quicksand.

yes it can be quite common, in all animals. i know a breeders dog (not NI) that was the most placid, gentle affectionate bitch i ever had the pleasure to meet. she had one litter of pups and completely changed, she was still brilliant with people she knew, but became aggressive to strangers and other dogs. i've also heard vets say its common for bitches to become more possessive and aggressive after litters. my female monitors and snakes have all become aggressive after producing a clutch. Io was terrible but her son October (who i kept) is the most placid monitor you could meet. i became much more fiery after i had my daughter, it is common among all animals. the hormones and protective instincts kick in

Funny then how people will a lot more experience than you say that its not normal!!
I have certainly never heard of it.. protective YES aggressive NO..

And this only happened after the SECOND litter

i have'nt bred a litter of puppies, i'm only saying what i saw with the other bitch and what i've heard from vets and read, but i have 20 yrs experience keeping herps and 10 yrs breeding experience and everytime one of my reptiles (really common in monitors) has produced a clutch they have become aggressive, none of the offspring have though, and yes i know where all of my hatchlings are, good breeding also extends to the herp world you know ;-)
i did'nt breed my orga (bosc monitor) because he had a slightly overshot bottom jaw and it could've been passed onto his offspring

Sorry but herps are a WHOLE different ball game to dogs..

Its not at all comparable

Sorry its NOT common in Dogs, you have been wrongly informed or have been misled by people who cannot distinguish between aggressive and possessive. Its natural for a bitch to be protective of her puppies, it is NOT normal for a dogs stable temperament to change and become aggressive to people and other animals after having a litter. Brodie only changed after her second litter, assuming this "change" didnt occur after the first, how do you explain that?

Reptiles are a whole different ball game and its ridiculous to try to compare them to a dog!

No its not common in dogs and if anything normally chills them out so stop talking rubbish woman.

I was expecting my girl to become protective with her litter when she had them, she has now had two litters on both of them she was very NON protective, allowing all and sundry to approach both her and the puppies, although I kept this to a minimal obviously, but I did notice after both litters she became calmer and more mellow she was a gentle soul to start off with. I have heard of bitches being protective of her pups espcially with other household dogs, I have never heard of a bitch that turned pernamently aggressive by having a litter?

mo