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that is great news, I hope that Fido has found his friend

Good luck...hope all goes well

Good luck, hope everything goes well xx

We will want lots of piccys and details if you keep him.

You lot really are all as bad as each other!!!!

So not only was this Merlin aggressive, he may have had epilepsy too? (or been a carrier etc)

Have to agree with you on that Dawn.

Suzy, The problem with a genetic illness like epilepsey is that unaffected dogs are carriers and we just don't know. It's only when two carriers are mated that we find out. It could be years down the line before this unfortunate mating takes place. A bitch could produce several litters with no sign of epilepsey, then in another mating when put to another carrier, produce epileptic pups. It is all fine for the NIS to blame SC but where did SC's dog get the epilepsy gene from?

Where do the NIS say they blame SC for epilepsy? if anyone were aportioning blame its SC, and I feel this is to distract from her own mistakes and bad practices yes she had admitted to some but thats dammage limitation and only the tip of the iceberg.

I'm sorry, I thought that was the 'one line' you meant in your post, which line did you mean? Has anyone else admitted to genetic epilepsy in their dogs?

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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject:

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Now that is interesting - since down the line from him my Cloud (Rivershey Tasina) produced a pup with cateracts - he is about to undergo surgery to try to help him but he will at best have limited vision. When I knew about this I contacted Rivershey kennels as they had a litter at the time from Cloud's sister and I thought she might want to get the pups eye tested at 6 weeks. Well, she didn't and she got really angry and abusive and accused me of trying to frighten her. I didn't even know about Dante's brother - thats a new one on me and seems more than likely now that Scout's cateracts have come down the line.

I had already decided not to breed from Cloud again in any case.

This is an example of the lies told by SC I honestly don't see how anyone can believe anything she says I want to clarify and put the record straight on this...

1. SC told me in the first instance that scuot had seen a specialist and his cattaracts were with out a shadow of doubt hereditary, this was a lie he had seen a newly qualified local vet

2. The vet had not been told how Scouts mum had an emergency cesarian due to a virus which had been at SC's kennels for months even at the time of mating, Cloud rejected her pups and killed two of them a few days later she was once again allowed to kill another two. Scout was then hand reared.

3. With Scouts owners permission I rang Scout's vet to ask if the Cataracts were hereditary or could have been caused by the virus or the hand rearing, she said could have been but only a specialist could confirm this.

4. I went back to my vet and sought his advice he checked both my dogs eyes and her puppies -ALL CLEAR

5. One of Scouts eyes has worsened and he has now seen a specialist the specialist has confirmed that his cataracts are NOT hereditary and in fact he could be bred from with NO risk.

6. The specialist also said that eye problems occur when puppies are reared on milk which is not appropriate for them but these days most breeders use whelpie which is very like dogs maternal milk and less risky. On my first litter of puppies SC told me to use goats milk, she probably used the same with Scout so his eye problems could be duer to her using a cheap alternative to whelpie.

SC knew all of this information before I did yet still she lies, so all this proof she says she has and hearsay is probably more lies I wish she would let NI owners enjoy their dogs in PEACE.

Mode of inheritance is not known and may differ even between breeds. In some cases only one parent needs to have the disease gene responsible for a puppy to be a sufferer:

Different types:

recessive - needs two copies of a disease gene to have the trait (one from each parent).

dominant - needs only one copy of a disease gene to have a trait , usually from an affected parent.

polygenic - a number of genes causing the disease.

autosomal - gene is on the non-sex chromosoems

x-linked - gene is one the x- chromosome (males have one x and females have two x chromosomes)


Epilepsy has been proven to be hereditary in several breeds and it is suspected in numerous other breeds. Right now, we don't know exactly how epilepsy is inherited in dogs. It may well be that there are different modes of inheritance and different genes involved in various breeds and families. Preliminary results from the Canine Epilepsy Project suggest that there are two or more genes involved in some of these families. There are several genes associated with epilepsy in humans and mice, and these genes are being investigated as possible candidates for the culprit in canine epilepsy.
http://www.canine-epilepsy.net/basics/basics_index.html

thanks for posting that Lucky Star

I didn't want to bring up the epilepsy debate again but there were a lot of posts on this thread about epilepsy (and one breeders line of dogs), I was just trying to explain what I was told at the genetics talk about recessive genes. I don't wish to upset owners or be accused of scaremongering.

I understand. That's one of the problems with canine epilepsy - nobody knows yet how it is inherited and why I believe that until it is, lines with epilepsy should not be bred from.

Artic wolf, I am not saying you are scaremongering just misrepresenting the facts you say the NIS blame SC for epilepsy,however almost none post on here and on thier own website I cannot see the same hate campaign as is going on elsewhere.
Did SC sell pups knowing they maybe affected by epilepsy? as that is what I think people are concerned about, sometimes its not as simple as laying blame but what someone knowingly misleads to make money.

CAn you please explain how a Vet (not opthalmologist) can tell if a present condition is or isnt hereditary? Even a specialist will only know if the disease is present or not, not how it got there.

Milk, back to the specialist! Are you seriously trying to tell experienced dog breeders that Goats milk, what THOUSANDS of people use to wean and raise puppies, was responsible for a case of cataracts? Theres that word again "probably" too.

Classic, really is!!

I'm afraid to say Fido didn't get on with the other dog. We took them out for a walk and he just hid behind my legs and snapped at the dog (he was mussled though) pretty dissapointed as i thought Fido had got passed all this nonsence but i guess i need to work a bit harder with him.
Kai seemed fantastic to me and never once showed any aggresion towards Fido and was just a big happy dog. So I hope he finds a good home soon.
I also said I would post some pictures of him just to see if anyone would be interested in rehoming him.

he is a very handsome dog, I am sure he will find his home soon. Perhaps Fido would be better with a female companion. I know that my Talli (rescue male) is much happier around females than males.

yeah thats what i was thinking but he is so fussy so?????
I have a behaviorist coming to see him in a few weeks to see if she can help me get over this final hurdle with him. he was a lot better than when we got him in january and i think i may have just got carried away. I think a puppy next year is going to be our best bet.

Sorry to hear Fido didn't get on with him, but I'm sure Kai won't be looking for a new home for long! He's gorgeous..

Sorry to hear it did not work out so well. Lovely looking boy. Hopefully he will find an appropriate new home soon xxx

Dawn, I know Ursula very well and she certainly isn't one who would lie. If you have such a big issue with what she has said get intouch with the relevant professionals.

Thanks Luckystar, informative, unbiased info xxxx