Just came across a breeder on-line who breeds Standard rotties and Roman rotties?:? I thought there was only one type of rottie I did know there are a few small variations in different countries but I have never heard of roman rotties before? At first I thought I might be a so called giant rott....(very large rotts being bred to create bigger rotts) But to be honest I think they look different and looked more rottie x dobe!:? What do you guys think? and has anyone ever heard of them before? Our Roman males are usually between 100-120lbs. at a year and our females are usually between 90-100lbs. at a year. Rottweilers do not stop filling out until around 5-6 years of age. On average the males range from 28-30in. on average the females range from 26-28in. The size our dogs average out is an ideal size for active service work. ?????????
looked it up!: The Roman Rottweiler is in a sense an oversized Rottweiler, which are truer to the original dogs which existed hundreds of years ago. There are a handful of breeders who breed this type of Rottweiler. One breeder by the name of Emily Tiscarenio from Colossal Rottweilers was successful in getting the type recognized with the Academic Kennel Records under the name Roman Rottweiler. This recreation of the original Rottweiler is a descent from the Tibetan Mastiff and possibly Italian mastiff. These ancient roman ancestors were inbreeding with local shepherd dogs and fighting dogs. The first written thing on Rotties is 74 A.D. The Romans used this mountain dog during the Middle Ages to herd and protect cattle for the Roman Soldiers crossing the Alps. It had to be big enough to protect and move the cattle that fed the Roman legions and strong and rugged enough physically and mentally in the harsh mountain terrain. They had to be intelligent, willing to work, and have a strong guarding instinct. They were brought to Europe with the Roman invaders legions. Their closest relatives are the Greater Swiss Mountain Dog and the Bernese Mountain Dog, and it is quite possible that the Boxer is related. When the Romans left their cattle with the escort dogs (Rottweilers) settled in Germany due to impassable roads and marshlands, this is when the Germans got a hold to a few specimens of the breed. These areas became Roman territory. One territory was Rottweil built in 74 A.D. When in Rottweil they had to herd the cattle, guard the cattle, keep order in the herd, tame the bulls, get the mean vicious bulls to move, and guard his master and his master’s property including his money bag which he tied around his Rottweiler’s neck, these were no easy tasks. After the Germans acquired the Rottweiler they began to breed it down in size and so was the end of the Roman Rottweiler. Even back then there was great controversy between the small Rottweiler and the big Rottweiler so much as to have fist fights over the matter. The Germans wanted a shorter Rottweiler to better their herding ability. When moving a bull the dog bit the legs until the bull moved. They wanted it shorter so the bites did not destroy the meat quality higher up in the legs. Shorter dogs bit lower on the legs. When taming a bull, the bull had a harder time attacking and injuring the smaller dog so they purposely selected runty dogs in their breeding program. There were others who wanted to preserve the original Rottweiler and this large dog’s powerfulness, guarding abilities, transportation, and big game hunting abilities. Males: Height: at least 26 ½ inches (67 cm.) Weight: at least 120 Pounds (54 kg.) 26 1/2 inches - 27in. 67-69 cm.) - small 271/2 inches (70 cm.) - medium 28 - 29 inches (72-74 cm.) - large 30 inches + (76cm.) Extra Large Females: Height: at least 24 ½ inches (63 cm.) Weight: at least 80 pounds (36 kg.) 241/2 - 25 inches (63-65 kg.) - small 251/2 - 26 inches (65 -67 cm.) - medium 27 - 28 inches - 69 - 71 cm.) - large 29 inches + (74 cm.) - Extra Large What is a Roman Rottweiler? what’s the difference between it and the standard Rottweiler? The Roman Rottweiler is a recreation of the original Rottweiler, a mastiff-like Rottweiler who crossed the Alps herding and guarding cattle as well as fighting in the Roman wars with the Romans. It is a larger dog than the standard Rottweiler, who is shorter. The Roman Rottweiler is to the Tibetan Mastiff as the standard Rottweiler is to the Australian Shepherd. Calm, confident, trainable, athletic, courageous, protective, reliable, and devoted. They have a reliable temperament. Protective, he will defend his family fiercely. These are strong fighters that seem immune to pain. Serious, steady and confident. Firm and careful training is essential for this breed, otherwise you may end up with a very powerful and overly aggressive dog. Yet they can, with proper handling, also be loyal, loving and very rewarding companions. They require owners who can handle their massive size. The Rottweiler is a natural guard dog with a mellow temperament. They are highly intelligent and have proven their worth beyond question in police, military, and customs work over many centuries. Because of their size, training should begin fairly young - while the dog is still small, and great care should be taken to ensure that the dog is not made vicious. This breed needs a lot of companionship and socialization to be truly happy. They can be aggressive with other dogs and should be kept on leashes in public places. When the Rottweiler is consistently brought up and trained, it will be a good playmate for the children. It will accept cats and other household pets as long as the dog has had a positive experience with them while it was young. Friends and relatives of the family are normally enthusiastically welcomed. Strangers can get no further than the sidewalk. It is aloof with a wait-and-see attitude; flock guardian Rottweilers have great distaste towards strangers. These dogs are extremely versatile. They can be used for flock guarding, herding, schutzhund, weight pulling, carting, family protector/companion, therapy work, guide dog, agility, water sports, hunting/retrieving, police work, military work, tracking, and obedience. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/romanrottweiler.htm
I think this would be the Rottweiler they are talking about as apposed to the RR.. I know the one the local police force had was a rottwieler... IMO.. all this silly....roman rottie... giant rottie... is no better than ooddle mixes... its just a way of money grabbing.. we also have the RED Rottie fools on the go It has been proven that keeping size/weight down... has been of great value to the breed.. where hip/elbow.. and other conformation problems are concerned.... what will be next.... a pocket rottie.:twisted:
oh, Shona, please don't give them ideas (mind you, if yours were pocket sized, it'd be much easier for me to sneak off with them )
What do you really think of this dogs? Just had a discussion about the "breed" on a scandinavian "site". For us rottie-owners they seems like a mix - not at all a genuine rottweiler.
I think it looks like a poorly bread rottie.. just putting a few generations of large dogs together...time and again could produce this dog... we often see oversized breeding from BYB in the uk.. confromationaly.. there's no two bits of the dog in the photo hanging the right way... it looks weak in muscle tone given its size... I could go on all day....
http://www.carlinpinscher.org/breeders.html http://carlindogs.tripod.com/id1.html http://www.carlin-pinscher.com/
arhhhh... stop it.no more.... thank god they havent used rottie in them... but they do look like a mini rottie.. when will it ever end......
yup they can crop up.{but very rarely} ..they are a major fault though... I have never seen one in real life ps to anyone looking at these they are not rare dogs..they are rare FAULTS.. in the breed..but the more morons try to pan them off as some valued rareity....well a fool and there money so to speak,... here is a link to red rotties http://www.resteddoginn.ca/redrottie.php long coated rotties... http://www.bigskyrottrescue.org/info/display?PageID=1019
Very interesting!!!!! thanks shona, im always interested in genetic of colour & hair etc, interestingly the Rottie although had more Coat than the norm wasnt really "coated" was it, just abit longer than normal, not like the length of say alonghaired gsd for example. re the reds, Personally Having a breed which comes in ALOT of Colours, i Quite Like them!!! But can undertand why Proper Rottie people dont!!!! Do yu ever Get White Markings on them?
yes you get white... but most breeders lie about it..:-( vinnie has a few white hairs on his shoulder.. holly has a few white hairs on her chest.. nothing major...not enough to be a concern.. a few white hairs dont really count for a mark though... but some rotties have white marks... mostly on the chest.. but I have seen them on the front paws and even one with it on the face.... this is a fault also...and shouldnt be used to breed from
