Are silver sable GSD's rare? Questions

While I agree that the standard was changed in the 40s I find your remark all big breeders bred windy dogs a little sweeping. I know for a fact that Jean Miles & Miss Moncrief did not breed windy dogs As for Avon Prince, he was a dreadful colour very paled & passed it on to several of his offspring, though in a litter we bred where he was grandfather we had 2 bycolours, however he came to our training class, any of us children could handle him, he had a fine temperment & indeed his look at me attitude is why he won as well as he did. In the days when many dogs had to have the collar up round their ears & twisted to keep them still when being gone over, the fact that he was obedience trained to place his own feet correctly & showed his socks off at all times on loose or tight lead is what made him standout.
There were many windy dogs winning back then & many big breeders who bred nervous dogs but please don't tar them all with the same brush. I helped out at the Miles kennels, while at school & the only problem we had with nerves was on November 5th when backing on to Handsworth park where there was a huge firework display all the dogs came indoors for the evening & many spent it under the kitchen table.

Information, Facts & Origins of the Great Pyrenees Dog Breed
The Great Pyrenees originates from France and was bred originally for herding and guarding sheep. It's origins can be dated back to Ancient Times. The Great Pyrenees is a member of the Mastiff family. The beautiful and elegant white dog was used for centuries by the working peasant shepherds on the French / Spanish Pyrenees mountain slopes. In the 1600's a French Courtier discovered the dog and following its introduction it achieved the status of the court dog of France. The Great Pyrenees is also known by the other names of Pyrenean Mountain Dog, Chien des Pyrenees and Chien de Montagne des Pyrenees. This dog is classified as one of the Working Dog Group which we go on to describe in detail in the section at the bottom of this page. The Great Pyrenees was first Registered by the AKC (American Kennel Club) in 1933. Name Facts and Dog Names: This dog's name is often mis-spelt as the Great Pyrenes and Great Pyrenese.

http://www.dog-names.org.uk/great-pyrenees.htm

About the Pyrenean Sheepdog:

The Pyrenean Sheepdog is known in its native country as Le Berger des Pyrénées where in fact it is an old indigenous breed, which has always remained in its place of origin. It is small in comparison with other sheepdog breeds, but this does not demean its ability to work tirelessly, sometimes from dawn to dusk herding large flocks of sheep. Its loyalty and willingness to obey its master drives it on to cover many miles in a working day. The breed can be traced back to the turn of the century but only gained recognition outside its area of origin during the 1914-18 war when it was used by the French Army as a messenger dog because of its speed and intelligence, during which it was nearly wiped out.

A highly intelligent hard working sheepdog, full of tremendous energy and stamina, easily recognised by its unique inquisitive and mischievous expression. When viewed in profile, it should give you the impression of being lean and racy, never carrying excess of weight, thus allowing it to travel at great speed when carrying out its herding work.

This breed is still used as a working sheepdog in France but equally it is used in a variety of other roles due to its keen sense of smell. Other modern day pursuits include; obedience, agility, fly ball, working trials and Cani Cross.

The coat on the long haired sheepdog is harsh and dense, resembling that of goats hair, but it should be a softer more woolly texture on the rump, the head coat should never conceal the eyes, it should be very short on top of the muzzle and the longer hair on the cheeks and face should sweep back to create a ‘windswept’ effect. It needs moderate grooming with no stripping or trimming necessary.

The predominant colour of the breed is fawn of varying shades; other colours are light to dark grey, black, blue merle, slate blue or brindle.

http://www.pyreneansheepdog.co.uk/information.htm

I made a comparison that if it humans were discriminated against in the same way that GSD colours are it would be deemed as racism, did I actually say that you were racist against Humans did I?
and anyway slightly off topic but racism isn't only against African Americans btw

Well thanks guys for all the help
I asked some questions about silver sable gsd'd never mentioned white gsd's yes they are nice but not what i want. I'll find somewhere else to ask my questions from now on i think.

Think the topic wandered a bit from your original question, but some useful facts nevertheless.
Had you seen the term silver sable somewhere as I've actually seen it aplied to a grey sable who was quite pale, think the breeder had convinced the purchasers it was more exotic so they'd pay more.

As the wife of a shepherd, I can say from experience that sheep are certainly not stupid

I have only ever seen videos of GSDs herding sheep. They worked nothing like a border collie.

lol your right there,,, you miss dinner time by five min and they go off there head,
they are however a pain in the ass
Is your OH off to kelso today?

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/breed-all-about-it-great-pyrenees/662840100

LOLOL I should have written "not like a Border Collie" Doh did not check the post

I wondered if I was missing something.

Nope, was it Kelso Tup Sale today? - or is that tomorrow? (It is usually on a Friday I think).

Always used to amaze me how different hand reared sheep were from the rest of the flock, used to holiday on a farm (friends of my parents) & if we hand reared any lambs they were so knowing & clever, They were different with the dogs too.

i've been researching gsd coat colour genetics and to get white pups both parents have to carry the white gene, its also the same with black pups. you could have 2 black and tan gsds and if they both carry the white gene they will produce at least one white pup. my friend has a beautiful healthy white gsd and her temperament is fantastic