NI/Ute Health Problems DISCUSSION thread. Controversial

Iwould think that the breeders obligation would only be to the people they have sold pups to, no one else, least of all a public forum, where at least half the posters do not own the breed type being discussed

Not only that but then they (the breeders) threatened the owner with violence.. because of the owner being honest about the condition on her own website.

Doesnt surprise me Janie, not one little bit.

What? Who did? What did the owner do?

If it is made public, they won't be able to threaten them because everyone will know. Sorry if this has already been discussed, I've just read from here.

Something similar happened in the newfoundland club. A friend was contacted from a man who had a very ill newfy pup. (it was crippled).

He then explained it was his 2nd pup as his first was also crippled and had to be pts at 3months old, on contacting the breeder she sold him another. (he was very nieve). Anyway, this one also became paralised on its back end and was pts at 5 months old.

He complained to the breeder who then threatened him, with horrific phone calls etc and he didn't knnow what to do.

When my friend found this out it was devastating that somebody was producing such awful dogs, she went on a mission. She contacted as many newfie people as she could, we all rally around getting evidence and finding other litter pups (2 others had also been pts leaving devastated owners). We have written letters to the kc, newfy club and explained that loads will not be renewing our membership until this breeder and her practices are looked into.

The newfoundland club are now looking into her.

The thing is, i saw people physically brake down in tears over these pups, its devastating what this breeder and her practices are doing. But every newfy person i know is sticking togeather and trying to make sure that another newfy will never be bred again in this way.

What i don't understand is why the ni people are not doing the same. If these dogs are being bred, with no hip scoring done or deformities why are you not dis-associating yourselfs from them. I would be trying really hard to prove that you are doing all the tests possible and trying to produce a healthy dog and letting everyone know what tests and scores you had.

My friend also produced a litter a few years ago and at 7 weeks old 2 pups died, she to was horrified but the first thing she did was a post mortem. She needed to know that this would never ever happen again. She needed to make sure that it was not something genetic but that if it was she could do her best with the knowledge she had from the pm, to try and make sure this never happened again.

There seems to be so many secrets all the time

BULLIES!! belong in the playground!

Unfortunately I think people are scared to rock the boat:?

There definitely are secrets loads of them; but it seems to me that new clubs/bodies start up on the basis of what you have highlighted here. This is the answer to many questions on here - why is there so much in-fighting? It is because people are so disgusted by what they see - OR do not agree with the practices of the 'official' body that they start up on their own.

Then comes the in-fighting/back-stabbing and the lack of gene pool because group 1 won't ever allow their dogs to go to group 2's dogs because group 1 doubts the ethics of group 2.

You see what I mean?

They are absolutely right to disassociate themselves though because I could not put my name to something I found awful.

I do understand what you are saying. But surely there is a way to start againl

I'm knackered and can't get my fingers to type properly so will come back to that tomorrow when my brains abit more awake. It took me about half hour to write that last post

great post shiba, sadly it happens in most breeds I think, there are bullys in rotts quite a few,, as yet I have had no threats, but they have met there match if they try that with me,, they better hope they can carry through what there big mouth says, Im not the type to sit back and wait on something bad happening to me,, so normaly go right to the threat and deal with it

sadly though dawn so many people who breed dogs / ANY breed not just NI's seem to think if they have a small group, they can cover up just about anything with threats,,,
bullys belong in my back garden,,,,snigger snigger

That's shocking Shona. :-(

Awful Shona. :-(

I have to reconsider my statement "bullies belong in the playground" they dont, bullies dont belong anywhere! No place for such people.

Yes there is a group of fat middle aged women within rotties who think they are the rottie mafia they are a joke,

Its easy for me, given my job and the attempted intimidation from some very nasty people in the past, hence I dont make an easy target for intimidation or threat's of violence.

But I know it has/does go on with others in the breed

the rottie mafia are rank amatures in comparison to what I have had to endure in the past,
though I have to say, they have not tried it with me so far,

Its not unheard of for rottie handlers to find themselfs at champ shows being charged with assault

these are the people we are supposed to look up to/ look to for help and guidence as they have been in the breed for years.

I think I will just continue without them though!

I have to say though,, there are a lot of decent people out there two, but it only takes a few to cause problems eh!

The puppy with cataracts was hand reared as the breeder bred from the bitch when her kennels had a virus whivh had already nearly claimed the life of one of her other dogs, the bitch had to have a cesarean due to contracting the virus she then killed all but one of her pups, it is possible that the one remaining pup got cataracts due to the virus or being hand reared this diagnosis came about after the other breeder bred her bitch and I believe she was eye tested as were her pups.

I doubt the hand rearing would have made a diff, I hand reared my last litter,

what virus was it?

I very much doubt it was due to the virus at all Werewolf, I have a friend who's neighbour bought a dog from a strays kennels and infected her 4wk old litter with Parvo, the ones that survived grew without problems, kennel cough is a serious virus and I havent heard of a litter that contracted eye problems afterwards either, despite a litter in a local rescue being horrifically affected with green eyes and two had ulcers too, they were fine with correct treatment.

I think you need to look at what you are telling others they should do, NOT speculate without facts, facts being that aside from this puppy, there have been other NI with cataracts, all had viruses? Another point being that regardless of whether or not a virus "could" (I have heard milk replacements can do it) of done this, the RESPONSIBLE thing to do would of been to have her bitch tested BEFORE mating her! That goes for the bitch that produced the pup with cataracts AND the one that bred from her litter sister.

Hey everyone , now lets all face facts, we don`t like it myself i hate and disbise it (sorry about the spellinf) but whatever dog you own there will always be breeders who cheat and lie just to make money about health issues. Every breed has its faults, but it is this interbreeding that is the problem, lets all just take a look at the programmes which have been on the telly i the last 2 weeks. We as human beings should be ashamed of ourselves for what we have done to these PEDIGREE BREEDS as the owner of a non K.C. breed i have to say i would rather the BI not be K.C reg as i feel when this happens the trouble starts ALL BREEDS have their faults but they are faults which we as humans have made so lets please leave certain breeds alone and concentrate on the bad things in which interbreeding has greated within certain breeds i`m not going to name and shame as it would take to long to list but lets just stop and think as Martin Clunes says we all share our homes with 98% wolf never mind what the breed is, so hail the wolf

But the BI/NI already have serious health issues from combining breeds already suffering from them, KC recognition will not change that.

I would say the BI/NI/UTE breeds are in far more trouble than Rottweilers and we have been KC reg for over 80 years, its comments like that about the Northern breeds that get my back up, the breed is still new, so should still have x breed vigour,,,,should it not, yet we are hearing of all sorts of health problems in the breed, please be realistic

I`m just saying that all breeds hae serious health issues, if the truth be known, you only have to speak to a number of vets. Take perrinanal Fistula, i had never heard of it but common in shepards, leonbergs i didn`t know this untill it happened to my shepard and believe you me it`s nasty. I think if we all say down and looked at the most common breeds of dogs and rearly study them we would be very shocked