Whats going on with NI pups? Controversial

Thats probably because there isnt anything wrong with yours at the moment! I can assure you some people have been told not to talk about health issues, particularly on here and also on the NIS.

I also read about an 8mth old pup with a deformed front leg, whilst all the NI owners on that site were happy to say how wonderful they were, and also advertise their pups for sale not one person offered any support or help to the guy, except one who said she hadnt had any problems with hers. Why is this? Why dont the NI people help?

Please dont tell me what is and isnt said, when it comes from the horses mouth, the "paying loyals" are getting sick of it too!

Pay to join the NIS, apart from the ones they remove sharpish, the health section makes interesting reading.

Im not interested in breeding Horses.

So this is your evidence? I'd be grateful if you could point me to that post as I find it hard to believe. I only joined this month, and I've had plenty of advice from NI owners, some of it even helpful

I wonder if the same could be said about any other breed?

Why should I pay to join the NIS? I'm happy with the comments from this forum. I'm curious as to how you're so well informed about NI's and why you're so interested in breeding NI's?

google Rottweiler health,,,, you will get page after page of all the nasty stuff that can go wrong,

the same can be said of any breed but yours;-) google that and you get a whole lot of tosh

Who do you think the unhealthy dogs were registered with pre Oct 2006 and who do you think the younger dogs parents were registered with before that time... they were all registered with NIS!!

Hit the nail on the head there Janie x

See your point, but is that because so much more is known about Rotties because it's been going for over a hundred years. Plus I think the very label "wolf dog" incites some people to write rubbish stating their views as fact.

I don't suppose we'll ever get an answer on this on this forum, and judging by some of the comments even if the societies were to issue a statement it wouldn't be believed. Seems to be a lot of conspiracy theorists on here.

Sorry i also have never been told not to discuss anything, and god help the person that tried to tell me what to do!! I also have asked about what happened to certain pups or dogs and been given the answers without any problems. This was more for concern for the people and dog invloved and not as some personal crusade.

Also look at the thread started about NI/Ute health on here, started by an NIS member and answered by lots of people. Over 45 dogs now from all different groups. . .

Because if you want to know about the health issues in the NI they are in the health section! They have closed it to "normal" member and you can now only look if you pay. seems very strange I agree, I mean what is there to hide. Its also very regularly pruned, so much stuff is moved quite quickly.

Im interested in the welfare of all Dogs. There is so much lying with ALL the "types" of this nature, that Id go to the ends of the earth to expose people who lie and breed and sell dogs unethically to the public. Is that ok for you? If you are happy with this site, you will also find a "search" option, if you use it and search the NI threads you will see why many NI threads are met with such negativity.

Sorry have to disagree there the health section is not 'Pruned' i have been on all day most days and look at all the new posts. Not one have i seen moved from the health section since i have been a member.

As for this being moved to the member only section we all know who to blame for that! Its not strange that people don't want there posts being taken and put on a forum they are not even a member of with out there consent.

Are you this aggressive with all the types of breeds? I only ask because I only seem to see your name and this type of post in the any thread to do with NI's. I haven't seen you be so negative with owners of other breeds. To me it seems like the NI is an easy target because it's a relatively new breed and therefore has far less information on it than most other more established breeds.

There must be hundreds of unethical breeders in this county alone, breeding dozens of different types of breeds. I wouldn't have thought you'd have much time left for chatting in a forum with all those keeping you at the ends of the earth.

No Im not, but then there isnt the secrecy with other breeds is there!

If you want to have a pop, take your best shot, but seeing as you are the one that supposedly bought a BI but then said its mother is a GSD, I dont think its me that doesnt know anything about them is it? I suggest you learn about the type of dog you purchase in future, rather than buy one on looks and then find out later you have a mongrel and know nothing about it! You see conning people is one of the things I am talking about.

I have said NOTHING that isnt true, if you'd like to take it further please do it by PM Id be happy to accomodate you.

I have seen dawn come down like a ton of bricks on many a breeder on here, I guess thats the down side of being fairly new to the forum, you dont really know us yet,

can I just add these were KC reg breeds

I have Rachel. Previously.

The only people to blame is the people who hide it. If its in the open nobody can be accused of hiding anything can they? Like the guy I mentioned with the NI with a deformed front leg, not one person on the site it was on, even replied! Its like it doesnt exist. the poor guy just wanted support for his pet who is costing him thousands of pounds before its first birthday.

I think you're the one seeing secrets, even when there's members of the NIS on here telling you there aren't any.

If you'd bothered to read the rest of the thread, you'd see I said I must have been wrong about the mother. If you must know I did read up on the BI and from what little I could find it seemed a good dog, and so he's turned out with no health problems at all. I wasn't conned I have checked up on my certificate with each of the kennels that are mentioned and everything checks out back to 3 generations.

I'm not sure that you've said anything that is true either

I think you mistake aggression for frustration. Questions have been asked time and time again without ever getting any answers. Being told a vague history about breed may suit you and others but people who are genuinely concerned are not fobbed off so easily. I suggest you read all the threads on NI's and maybe make a more balanced judgement.
There is a lot of knowledge on this forum I wouldn't dismiss it too quickly if I were you.

I have to agree with this, i have seen her really lay into another member that bred a rescue bitch . . .

I like to think of her much like her type of dog, the terrier!