Whats going on with NI pups? Controversial

very good article... should be food for thought.

The breed 'that can't be named' was from a Ute breeder using her dogs, not NI.

So where did Utes come from?

yeah ok, some will have come from NI lines some yrs previous. I was being literal. Her dogs were utonagon's.

As regards Addisons and VWD blood tests. I understand that they can be taken from the same blood sample as long as the vet is aware of this previous to taking the sample. The reason being is that for the Addisons test, the vet takes a sample, then injects a chemical, and 2 hours later takes another sample, which then shows if Addisons is present.

Hi Tawneywolf.
The blood test (ELISA) for vWD is unreliable. It was the first test that was available and the clear/carrier levels are a grey area. Sue L's Dobe was DNA tested and he came back affected, but he couldnt be because this father was clear, he couldnt produce an affected pup. We had him retested at another clinic in the States and it came back affected again. His sire was tested clear by the Elisa blood test, but in actual fact is a carrier, which meant the mother was a carrier, and she, mated to him, produced clear, carrier and affected in the litter. Should the breeder of known there was doubt she wouldnt of used him, but the "grey" area was only noted some time after, resulting in false test results and affected pups, thats what prompted the work into discovering the Elisa test is unreliable.

DNA sent to the states is the only way to be 100% sure.
Dawn.

Just curious, can you tell me where this evidence is? Especially as you then go on to state that there are no stats:?

Another thought, what about horses, aren't all thoroughbreds supposed to have come from just two that were brought over from Arabia?

Thats true all TB's come from 3 stallions a Barb an arab and i forget the 3rd! Most modern Cheetas share 99% of there DNA as well and hugely inbred.

My question to this would be

where did the 4 females come from?

its a bit like the chicken or the egg thing

The programme on BBC with Martin Clunes is looking at this. Starts off by stating that ALL dogs are 99% genetically related to wolves. Tere were some awesome momnets in the program where he got to sit and play with a pack of wolves, must admit they acted just like dogs, or is that dogs act just like them?

The wolf has been around for a lot longer then we think, just not in its current sub speices.

Look at this cave painting from Font-de-Gaume, dated at around 14 000 BC.

That could be a wart hog...
All dogs have health issues because of the in breeding at the start of a new type, the inbreeding means the health issues are genetic therefore will never be eradicated within the breed...

Craig Venter (who raced against John Sulston to complete the Human Genome Project) sequenced his own genome and that of his dog. They shared 75% of genes.

We share nearly 60% of genetic material with the cabbage apparently.

Depending on which research you believe a chimp shares between 95% and 99% with humans. Any two humans apparently share 99.99% similar genes, yet the 0.01% mutated genes can have catastrophic effects on health.

So, as I understand it, it's not the percentage of shared genes that is so critical to health, but the function of the ones that are different.

lmao,, now that I could believe

I think it is possible to establish a new breed without inbreeding to an extent, but the amount of foundation dogs needed would be massive, the expense involved again massive, I just cant see any of the founder breeders of NI's haveing the space/knowledge/financial ability to do it.

Ps I thought it could be a wort hog or somit other than a dog too,

The people studing the caves say its a wolf so i am going to stick with them on this one!

I always thought people used to draw the animals they hunted more than any other animal, just my thoughts, It could be anything I guess,

Off topic but people painted the animals that had importance. Prey animals featured alot due to hunting scenes with the horse appearing most often. Stangely a rare animal to find depicted is the mammoth despite the fact it was hugely important as both a prey animal and to stoneage cultures.

Large cats, bears and hyenas also feature in a number of cave paintings.

Fascinating, thank you for that.

If the NI/Ute Health issues thread is anything to go by, then the NIS-registered NIs are looking in excellent health. What evidence are you referring to as I don't know of a single NIS NI with any of the above inherited diseases?

Not true!! I have two NIS-registered NIs and am an NIS member myself. I haven't been told not to share health stats at all! Where did you get that information from?