Do NI's/UTE's etc look more wolfy than the recognised breeds? Discussions

Another random comment,to be expected I guess along with all your random, non factual statements.

Hope people dont confuse me with a NI breeder then

Get back on topic please.

Symptoms were apparently present which are typical of VW but it seems nothing has been done to verify it or not, or at least nothing has been said to confirm either way.
There are dogs being bred with high and / or uneven hip scores, those can be seen on various breeders websites, and epilepsy in the breed has been discussed recently but none of the `main` breeders have yet responded to say they will get involved with that, unlike many of the non-breeder NI pet owners.

None of which is relevant to the thread however but did`nt want to see your question go unanswered in some way.

Apparently no one does - not even the co-founder
[ as the question on that one has gone unanswered since day one - or should I say a deliberate ignoring of it... ].

I have not had a chance to catch up with everything yet, so hopefully not repeating anything.

I know there are good breeders and there are bad breeders. What worries me is the KC registering and placing dogs that are known to be in poor health. The average person would believe that KC registration means something. Some would even see it as a reassurance they were getting a healthy pup, with good lines, etc.

However it seems the KC actually just register anything that is a recognised pedigree. I'm not aware that they have pet only registrations for pups whose parents have not been tested or have/are suspected of a known heriditary condition, or are not suitable for breeding.

As you say, it comes down to the breeders and many I'm sure are good like yourself.

I would say that registering as pet only is far better than having a healthy pup put to sleep.

But I will admit, I really don't know much about the KC - just always thought they were like a 'quality stamp' - having seen the programme the other day, my views have changed entirely.

Hi Tania,

The KC are a reg system,

For a quality stamp, you must do so much research into your breed then find a good breeder,

Im not sure that any of the breeders featured were kc accredited breeders,

but even being AB, has its loopholes

I wish you could put some of the energy you have NI/people bashing into rooting out people like that awful woman that puts healthy ridgeback puppies without spina bifida to sleep just because they don't have a ridge.

Instead of harassing people who've had the misfortune to lose pups at an early age. It happens in humans too you know and I don't think there is necessarily a higher proportion in NIs, it is just that you constantly scan a popular NI forum to find things to be nasty about. Of course we will hear about these things in NI more than many established breeds, because it is common enough in established breeds that not every case will be talked about.

The cases with the NIs are talked about because the owners are on the forum and were naturally devastated, that is why they speak about it - not for someone like you to go and try to make something sinister about it. Have some compassion for gods sake.

I agree, but so many people looking to get puppies just take it for granted that being KC registered actually means something. I was naive enough myself when I got my lab - I learned the hard way about researching. Although between that and my first NI, I had two rescue dogs, so was none the wiser with those really. It's just I paid more than I would have done because I thought the KC papers meant something. This was about 10 years ago though!

I have a healthy spina bifida free RR with a ridge

Ignorance is bliss LH, let it ride over your head.
Dawn.

DITO

I thought that the ridge was caused by 'a mild form' of spina bifida - was that wrong in the programme?

If it is wrong, great!

Sorry, I've realised I've gone totally off topic again.

My NIs sometimes look wolfy and sometimes don't. Did post some before

Here is non-wolfy lupi



Giving a lecture to puppies

And Collies in worky stalk mode

Thanks guys

I'm watching the programme again as I obviously misunderstood - apologies for that. I was, as many others, quite upset watching it.

I thought that is what I heard as well? I agree, if it is wrong that is great.

Kerry Blues, Shih-Tzu's and Boxers have Dermoid Sinus too, and crossbreeds have been known to get it. The main reason they target Ridgebacks is because it usually (not always) starts down the midline of the dogs back and in the RR thats where the ridge is! What people SHOULD be looking at is that breeders test for it in these breeds, but NOT in the others!

Thanks June - this is a good time to credit Carol of The Utonagan Association for much of this progress wrt health and lines info - she has been quite a pioneer of this step forward in the Utonagan, despite being given a hard time by some because of her honesty. She often has to be the bearer of bad news and therefore the recipient of angst and denial.:-(