Whats the difference between NIS and TIDA Questions

JRT's are recognised in Ireland, and other countries inc Australia. parsons obviously here and many Terriers at game fairs are registered too. Patterdales are working terriers, breeders fight the likes of idiots who want to breed them for pets as more often than not they end up in rescue having chased, attacked and killed some furry. Fells, lakies etc.. again bred for work, NOT show, the show is a hobby for a few months in the summer when work is not carried out, see these types of dog have a purpose!

NIs have a purpose too - as loving family pets and companions! My two do their 'job' exceptionally well and I'm extremely happy with the 'work' they do for me.

When I first found out about JK's convictions, she spoke to me about the matter and offered an explanation. The dog concerned was owned in partnership with someone and never came to JK's property. It was hers in the sense that she also had stud rights to him. The reptiles were in her shop as someone had dumped them. They were suffering with MBD and were being treated. This didn't even go to court.

The RSPCA DOES sometimes get things wrong and they DO have targets to meet. There are around 500 members of the NIS so I'm obviously not the only one who is happy with this explanation. Ultimately we're all entitled to our views and no one is forced to join the NIS if they have a problem with JK or any other member. The matter is widely known and is no secret. If you're not happy with the explanation it's no problem - you don't have to join or support the NIS if you don't want to.

Sorry Sally think you are being nieve.

Who has joint custody of a dog?

So she was breeding shar peis before NI's?

The RSPCA find it very very hard to get convictions I can assure you and very much doubt they got it wrong. She was convicted in a court of law for cruelty against DOGS and LIZARDS. Seems strange 1 person has been accused of 2 cruelty convictions not like a one of.

I do see where you're coming from Dawn but just look at the amount of different breeds that have altered over the years that are KC recognised. At the present moment, KC recognition certainly wouldn't be a good thing due to current circumstances within other factions IMO.

I enjoying showing off my girls. My Luca works in a fashion, as does my GSD bitch and hopefully Nushka will follow suit. Most importantly they're pets first, whether they're working or being shown ;-)

The dog in question was also handed back to JK by the RSPCA and went on too live a long and happy life.

Cross breeds [call them what you like - I would still have them no matter what] - different groups - KC rec or not - people's opinions - forums...

None of it changes our dogs and I think most of us are entirely happy with them...Everyone has the choice not to read these threads - everyone has the choice to keel over at the thought of owning an NI - the rest of us can just enjoy the dogs.

I think you are being a nieve if you think people don't jointly own dogs! Most of the top dogs in anybreed (a lot of the dogs that do well at crufts) have more then one owner. People will work in partnership to buy a dog from good show winning lines (meaning expensive) to improve there own breeding lines. It has been done for years in showing and is not limited to dogs.

Also small local petshops ARE to a certain extent targeted by the RSPCA. We got on well with the Local pet shop when we lived in Aber but they where often harrased and accused of cruelty (which were unfonded). They used to take in strays (of the small animal kind) and they were often in a terrible state when they were dumped. The shop would look after them for a bit and then either sell or rehome them. Also a pet shop i worked for had a Guinea Pig dumped who had been attacked with a pair of sissors. If the RSPCA had come in that day we had no proof he was dumped and the pet shop could have been in real trouble. As it was i took him home and he became Bob the house pig!

That'll be me and 500 other people then.

Working or not - when I look at what is physically acceptable just because a dog is kc recognised it makes me even more proud of my dogs. But I know we have all said this countless times.

So you are saying the RSPCA convicted her of animal cruelty for an animal that didnt live there, AND, that the reptiles were "dumped" and she was convicted for cruelty towards them aswell, all this and the RSPCA STILL state the facts and JK has done nothing in 20yrs to clear her name? yet we are also to belive that a bit of name calling will be going to solicitors? Do me a favour! Talk about priorities!

As joint owner, JK was technically responsible for the welfare of the animal, similarly with the lizards brought into her shop. It is possible to be technically guilty without actually having commited an act of cruelty. The law is an @ss - a fact that hasn't changed since Dickens' time.

Our priorities are with OUR dogs as is the same with any other person, regardless of breed ;-)

Ahh so when the case of all the Yorkies etc.. came to light and most of them were verging on death and the PARTNER in the kennels who lived 20 odd miles away from the lady that kept them, was prosecuted, how come the lady who had no knowledge of it was free from blame? Surely it was the same, ownership in name only?

Im sorry Sally, doesnt wash with me in the slightest.

Can you understand why JK would be sending stuff to solicitors and others copying and pasting stuff to send for a bit of name calling and "he said, she said" when her name is mud around animal welfare circles and is spread across websites telling of these cases of cruelty, yet the priority seems to be the former? What would you do? Fight for your name, or not?

Then you should be told the truth about them Wolfie.

What I consider to be top priority is what's going on with our breed right now. The NIS breed healthy, happy, loving, good natured, beautiful dogs and that's good enough for me. I'm far more suspicious of a society that breeds epileptic crossbreeds under the label 'Northern Inuits' - that for me is WAY more disturbing than anything the NIS has to fault it.

Epilepsy is ALL THROUGH the NI, not just TIDA dogs, their breeding is the same!

No they dont Sally 1 puppy had to be PTS last week due to bleeding of joints and another is being PTS this week with similar problems is that what you call a healthy breed?

give it a rest

Bleeding joints? Are you serious? VON WILLEBRANDS!! Classic symptoms and some heamophillia diseases too, I REALLY hope that is nOT true KCJack, I really do. You also get heamatomas, blood filled lumps appearing here and there for no reason. If that is true the NIS should INSIST that BOTH parents and all the puppies are tested for such diseases. VERY worrying indeed, and also a personal issue for me as the Dobe I co-own is vWD affected.