Greyhound racing industry breeder disposes of puppies that wont chase! Controversial

Greyhound breeder offers slow dogs to be killed for research

Yet another undercover investigation of how the greyhound racing industry so crudely ‘take care’ of their greyhounds. Not only are greyhounds being sacrificed for scientific research once they are no longer a financial asset in their retirement, they are being sacrificed as young as a year old, simply because they wont chase or perform. :-(

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article3908388.ece

Please also take some time to thank the journalist Daniel Foggo, yet again, who investigated and wrote the article. Without him, the abuse, slaughter and exploitation of greyhounds would have continued to be denied by the racing industry who clearly do ‘take care’ of their greyhounds but only as cheaply and as quickly as possible!

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Can only pray this is the final nail in the coffin for this shameful industry.

Again where was the paperwork for these puppies?

Im sure some will defend this by saying he's done nothing wrong and its better than some of the things that happen to these dogs but that really is not the point - 2 wrongs do not make a right! What else is he supposed to do with the pups - well stop breeding so many would be a start!

With the amount of dogs he produces he is no more than a puppy farmer!

Can't they re-home them as pet's?

Wouldnt get any money for them then and besides thats a bit like hard work Im afraid.

What a shame, but surely it cost's to dispose of them, hell even a bullet cost's.I am surely disgusted.

Arh but by selling them to be killed he gets paid.

This is not the first incident of this happening and no doubt wont be the last.

It does surprise me that many people who defend the sport and people like this - then condemn puppy farms!

Yes.....come on Galty
Support and defend this industry you are sooooooo proud of, this industry you love.
This industry that perpetuates the exploitation of greyhounds in their thousands, year after year.

There are a few here that support this cruel industry and its disgusting IMO !!

A Sport should not be at the cost of another life !

It is absolutely disgusting, doesnt take much to work out that there is a lot of money being made. I don't think the government are bothered by it as they are also making a whack from it. Just imagine the outcry if someone was breeding potential show dogs and knew they wouldn't make the grade at 12 months even though they are healthy dogs they were sent to be pts. I see no difference it's man's greed at the end of the day and no thought for the dogs. If they are breeding so many that it is impossible to rehome ones that don't make the grade then stop bl**dy breeding them.

The things some humans do just for money is just discusting, those poor dogs, Im speechless

Yeah come on Galty, you are being delibertaley targeted to be had a go at, purely to cause an argument! Is it any wonder people hate animal extremists!

Dawn why do you think that people who are against cruelty are extremists? You are against dog fighting - that might make some people feel that you are an animal extremist, you are against agility and dancing with dogs - many would think that makes you an extremist. I wonder who else agrees with you and hate people who are trying to make lives better for all dogs including greyhounds?

What would you feel about someone breeding over 200 border terriers on one premises?

What - only one rolling eyes?

Can you please tell me when the last time you saw people protesting against Dancing with dogs or agility? I mean, like how many "acts of terrorism" have been done to such people who participate? Can you say the same for people that race Greyhounds?

This "story" is old news, this has been going on for years, nobody has tried to hide it, nobody has tried to defend it!

Regards your last statement, 200 puppies is standard at any premises that breed a lot of dogs, be it showing, racing or anything else, may only consist of 6 or 7 litters, whats the big deal here, was this "breeder" not lisenced? is that your gripe?

Sorry Dawn but how many acts of terrorism have those who do protest outside greyhounds stadia committed. You have pointed out Jodie as a an animal extremists and then gone on to mention acts of terrorism - what acts of terrorism are you accusing her off?

Are you against protests outside stadia or is freedom of speach only allowed to those who toe your line? Just because people are against this so called sport does not make them extremists - Im sure many of those on the other thread would not consider themselves extremists. Just because people do not like something does not make them commit acts of terrorism but protest is something that is available to all of us.

Well no not many people have tried to defend it - to most including some in the industry its indefencable! I do wonder why the gentleman has tried to deny it if its so acceptable ?

What on earth has it got to do with him not being licensed? I dont know of any good breeders that have a minimum of 200 pups on the premises at one time - can you point me in the direction of some please - especially border ones. Thanks.

I never mentioned YOU!!! Jodie DELIBERATLEY incited Galty to "defend" this, that was out of line and an attempt to cause argument, it wasnt necessary, was it?

Yes I am against any pathetic attempts to TELL people they are wrong outside ANY establishment, thats why these "people" get such bad names for themselves. They constantly dictate to people, it only makes things worse, as you well know, the Greyhound industry is booming, these futile attempts gone about in often abusive ways alienate people and serve no other purpose than that. Greyhound racing "protesters" we'll call them have on many occasions been verbally and physically abusive, you asked about dancing with dogs and agility, you wont find any evidence of such behaviour by any such protestors of these activities because there arent any!

Your statement of:

appeared to me that you have some issues with people breeding on such a scale? So I asked why? does this person not have a breeding lisence? are they operating outside the law and doing something illegal? Whats the problem here?

re Borders, if you buy the KC breed suppliment, I guarantee you, you will find at least 3 people that will regularly breed HUGE numbers of borders, and will certainly exceed your figure of 200!!!

Perhaps the guy is sick of defending himself? I know how he feels!! Im sick of it too!

Do you never ask individual people a specific question Dawn... ?

Presumably they are only `pathetic` when you don`t agree with what people are peacefully protesting.
What if someone stood outside courts with a copy of the petition about the sickening attack on a horse which you posted recently which aims at increasing punishments for such heinous crimes, would that be `pathetic` too ?

What about you posting the petition at all ? What`s the difference between you fighting that horses corner and others fighting racing Greys corners ?
Other than one you personally believe should be fought for but the other you don`t believe in because you are a supporter of the industry involved ?

These `people` give a damn about the dogs - just as you give a damn about the horse. There is no difference in the feelings involved.

Yes, and ?

If it makes one person stop and think and to realise what goes on behind the scenes to the point that they stop supporting it then thats a good thing.

Thats human greed for you

Futile ? People used to say that about anti-dockers and anti-fox hunters - protesting, organising and highlighting those things were not so futile after all then ;-)
And on the abusive side of things, who here has come out with something tantamount to accusing a member of terrorism Dawn.....
So to quote you right back atcha "that was out of line and an attempt to cause argument, it wasnt necessary, was it?"

Really ? I must have imagined the group of people who stood outside an agility club I taught at, shouting abuse and filth at us for being `cruel`.
The difference in handling it being to invite them in to observe close up,to see the methods used, [ fun, treats, toys, all positive training ], and to enable them to see the dogs enjoyment close up, which they could`nt see at a distance. Result ? They apologised, and were grateful to have been invited to the `inside` to see the reality for themselves.

Greyhound racing industry ?
Smoke and mirrors, drugged dogs, killings, including en-masse massacre of dogs, sickening cruelties, but hidden away as much as possible, ranks kept tightly closed, and the perpetrators bleat when they are found out.
Big difference Dawn.
And just saying you don`t like something is `protesting` it, as you have done many times about HTM and Agility so if its ok for you to say things about activities you frankly have no real understanding of in terms of benefits to the dogs, [ they being what matters above all else ], then its ok for people to say things about Greyhound racing, particularly when the evidence is there in spades of the disgusting things which do go on within that industry.

The problem is how many of them are killed for not being good enough to race.
How many agility and HTM dogs do you hear of being weighted down to drown because they did`nt win a competition ? Or being shipped off to Spain in horrendous condition for not making the grade ? And when we get wind of someone offloading their dog to someone else because of not being good enough to compete, trust me, the agility world turns on them big style, whatever disagreements there may be about rules and regs over course types and all that, we as a community don`t hide the bad apple element, we shun them to the hilt and don`t provide them with cover to hide under.

How about we change it to cat breeding - I recall you having a right go at someone over one litter of four kittens, but you think its acceptable for a dog breeder to churn out over 200 pups at any one time ? Come on Dawn, get some perspective.

So don`t defend him, its not like he deserves to be defended and if he`s sick of it, well boo hoo, he should of thought of that before behaving so disgracefully.

I never said you mentioned me! Jodie asked Galty to defend this – a request, not an accusation of acts of terrorism or calling people extremists because they would are against it. So I ask again just what acts of terrorism are you accusing Jodie or any other anti racing person of?

I take it you would also have been against the women carrying out acts of terrorism when they were fighting for the vote chaining themselves to buildings– I’ll also assume you don’t vote as it was won for you by extremists. I take it you are against those who protested against the war, the greenham common women. Those who protest against injustice’s around the world outside embassies etc etc etc. Protest is something living in a democracy allows us to do. You are very quick to defend the slaughter of these dogs and the ones at Seaham as having been perfectly legal - so is protesting in this country.

I don’t see that protesting against something you consider cruel is dictating, what it is is trying to raise awareness and educate. Many people I have spoken to and people on these boards are unaware of the problems within this industry, whats wrong with telling them how it is – if they have no problem its up to them but why should the truth be hidden, if in your eyes there is nothing wrong with the practises of slaughtering a huge number of dogs. Or are you saying that only people who are pro racing should be allowed to comment?

The greyhound industry is hardly booming you only have to look at the recent track figures and falling tote take ins to see that. I think you do the general public a huge disservice if you think they will be persuaded by those sort of tactics they are turning off this industry because of the facts – the thousands of dogs killed, the overbreeding, the amount of dogs disappearing with no documented evidence of whats happened to them, the ones found abandoned and abused, the ones dumped into rescue when their usefulness is done. Just the thought of using animals for entertainment purposes alone which includes cruelty - why do you think circus's are very much on the decline

See I think you’ve answered your own question there. Many many people find what goes on in this industry despicable that’s why they protest, not many seem to feel the same way as you about dancing with dogs (just how many agility and dancing with dogs were dumped into rescue or hung or drown last year because they weren’t good enough by the way?)

How many of these protests have you witnessed yourself Dawn? Ive been to many – Ive seen my ex’s 14 year old daughter spat at (the only time she was allowed to go because of the abuse from the race goers), Ive seen an elderly lady swerved at by a car almost hitting her – the louts in it laughing and jeering – poor old thing was only crossing the road! Believe me the abuse is far worse from the other side, I realise you’ve only been to the track a couple of times so are perhaps not aware of what goes on.

Sorry Dawn I thought you knew the facts of the case regarding licensing. But yes I do have a problem with anybody in any breed having at a minimum 200 puppies on the premises at the same time you may feel its acceptable in your breed I don’t know.

I don’t buy that supplement but if you could provide me with some reputable breeders names that have 200 pups at the same time I would be grateful – I really don’t see how that can be good for the breed, maybe its acceptable in Borders Im not that knowledgable on good breeders of the breed so perhaps you could point me in the right direction

I don’t believe he has defended himself before but I assume he feels he has to now. Perhaps because he is breaking the rules?

Why are you sick of it? You protest against people breeding cats, cruelty to horses etc how would you feel if the people who commit these acts told you to shut up because they are sick of hearing from you?

I believe if I am against something, if I see cruelty to any animal or dogs being slaughtered for no good reason I will speak, and I have a right to my opinion and to protest and to voice my opposition regardless of whether the practise is legal or not and I refuse to let you tell me I cant, pretty much as you will not allow people to TELL you not to support the racing industry.

The vast majority of this is off topic its once again about the killing of healthy puppies and the lack of records and breaking of rules once again - Ive been accused of bringing politics into threads about racing Im sure you will be to.

I have never heard such crap!

I have not protested about cruelty to Horses, I passed on a link on behalf of a lady who's Horse was attacked, I will gladly show you the thead if you like, she ASKED for it to be posted elsewhere, which is what I did!

I really dont give a stuff to be honest, couldnt give a monkeys if dogs are PTS and their organs used to further research, its OLD news and given the alternative to some of these Dogs, I think its a lucky escape!
In fact I think normal unclaimed strays could be the same, anything IMO to further medical research into diseases which will one day be cured. Im sorry I dont put dogs before people, never will.

Sorry to all had a virus and had to reboot to manu.


People like Jodie jump upon the Media bias


Question to the tree huggers?????

Is the whole sport down to C Pickering.

Please look at the site XXXXXXXXXXX where Pickering has denied this and look at the replies.


Have no knowledege if this is true or not.


If it is then the figure that Jodie quoted in another thread that all 4000 odd dogs not accounted for are killed, well the first 10 are accounted for

As not alloud to give links to other Froums if u PM me will give link to xxxxxxxxx

I have no comment to make on Pickering statment, think he should take it to the courts.


Dawn

See you cant make a post with out others bring up old threads, (sad bags)

Spot

AS the topic starter stated that some one has given dogs to a Uni that trains Students to become Vets that that is cruelty.


Will you in future ask your vet if he was as a student was he trained with dead animals (cats dogs gerbils rats) if he was will you refuse to use him????