Questions (What are Northern Inuits like as pets) Questions

Hi Zuba
As on owner of NIDs I can tell you why I bought mine. We wanted dogs firstly. We initially thought about long haired GSDs but we were not 100% sure this is what we wanted. I then saw an add for NIDs. I looked them up on the net, joined the forum at the time. Spent alot of time thinking about it. I also looked at Huskies and Malamutes. A few things put me off these, I read they were unpredictable with little animals even if they had lived with them for years (we have indoor cats) this put me off, also the not being able to excercise off lead. Also personally I think dogs like the two breeds need to be worked or excersied heavily, this would not fit with our lifestyle. Hence the NID, I loved the look, the off lead thing, the fact they are good with cats. I have never ever regretted my decision.

I have never personally advertised any pups as 'wolf look a likes' but I do admit that I did google wolf look a likes when i was researching the breeds.
The ONLY reason there are different clubs comes down purely to egos' imo. Both the BIDC and TIDA are only in existance because of jealousy and rivalry, its a well known fact, very childish in my opinion but thats how it is, both are struggling. BIDC has introduced the Czech Wolf dog in to their breeding programme, at one time, the chairperson of tida wanted to have a pup to add to her breeding stock but didnt get one as they 'fell out'.
but in the event she had gotten one, this pup would have been registered as an NI without the societies knowledge, health and temperament are of upmost importance for the NIS, the cwz is an unknown quantity and as such, temperaments are not as we would have them.

I can see why you chose the breed because you were obviously led to believe that all the qualities on the sibes and mals were bred out and hopefully you were lucky and dont have any sibe/mal traits. However I can name at least three people on here with NI's who have a some point or another posted threads asking for help with their NI, who unknown to them has a sibe/mal trait. For example "NI wont recall", "NI being dominant" so on and so on.

To reintroduce the Sibe, mal or GSD again at this stage you will easily bring back the traits that are "apparently" bred out. I personally dont see how in such a short time the traits could have been bred out either and who's to say that in a years time the Sibe/mal gene that people are working to get rid of wont reappear? I know of perfectly healthy champion lines in the kc who the breeders have worked for many years to get rid of a flaw and the flaw still pops up every now and then.

The NIS are not introducing any breeds to their NIDs. TIDA are wanting to bring in new blood (when I say new blood I am talking about other breeds not NID blood) because they have said on here their lack of dogs, or did they word it limited gene pool? , same thing I guess.

I agree with you 100% that new blood is not for the good of the breed.

Very similar to my own experiences and reasons for having NID's.

why would new blood not be good for the breed, I don't understand this point, wouldn't new blood mean less inbreeding ?

Ali there is no inbreeding (Well the NIS don't inbreed, I can't speak for anyone else). When I say new blood I don't mean NID blood, I mean the founder breeds being reintroduced.

The NIS has no intention of re-introducing any of the original breeds, its tida that want to do that. I totally agree that any of the traits could pop up somewhere down the line, which is why we always say the NI isnt for the novice owner. I have13 Ni, dogs and bitches, I have NO health problems, they all have wonderful temperaments, the only dominance issue is from one bitch who thinks she is leader of the pack, after me of course lol. I havent bred anything for a year, I prefer at the moment to let my dogs be pets and to have fun. If I thought for one moment my dogs couldnt be trusted, I wouldnt have this breed, my 7 grandchildren were frequently round my dogs and I never had any problems with that.
Rehoming comes up with lots of breeds because puppy buyers are ill informed or dont listen, fact of life. I have, in the past turned away a couple of people who were dead set on getting an NI, I thought they were unsuitable, I know of other breeders within the society who have done the same.
unfortunately, a lot of the time, the dogs suffer becuse of marriage break ups or a new baby, another fact of life.

IMO there seem to be very few dogs used in the beginning of the breed, I thought that this would mean that most of the NI had the same few ancestors on their pedigrees, and were closely related. I don't understand when line breeding becomes inbreeding,

So what you're saying is that you are fine with impure bred dogs being registered on the breed register because they are the right colour but not a pure bred dog from a completely new blood line and prcd-PRA free because it is the wrong colour. That I find very odd.
Anyway back to NI's, it seems now, from all that has been posted on here that the NI's are far from being stablised and you really all need to work together because if one of you get's there first there is no way the KC will accept another 'new' breed of exactly the same type.
Czech Wolfdogs are illegal without a DWAL so if anyone is introducing it into the breed they need their heads examined.
It also seems that not one of the relevant 'groups' of NI people can be honest about what is going on, one side claiming that the other is lying, I've heard that some NI breeders associated with the relevant clubs have cruelty convictions, no-one has any clue as to the original dogs used, which I have said before I find odd in a newly created breed although sadly not unique and people not to bothered about health testing.
I agree with other's it seems that this 'breed' is really doomed so I take back what I said about it being nearer than Labradoodles, in all honesty I think they may well be recognised long before any form of NI or similar breed.
Becky

NO, what I am saying is I have NO problem with a pack Bloodhound (fully documented history, of ACCEPTED colour) being introduced to expand a small genepool, likewise Bobtail Boxers of ACCEPTED colours!

"New blood" would inevitably breed back into the NI traits that people are trying to "breed out", especially this far down the line. I use the terms loosely as I dont see how any trait can be "guaranteed" to be bred out. Two KC champion parents can still produce a pup with a flaw even after years of it being "bred out".

Although some people have made the effort to answer peoples questions to the best of their knowledge, thank you for that btw, answers are different depending on who is answering and which club they belong to. I am sure that I am not the only one who could pick holes in the clubs mentioned on this thread with ease but the aim of this thread was to shed some light on the NIs health issues and temperaments. I dont think that we will ever be able to say for certain what the NI is, how they behave and what health issues they have.

I would suggest to anyone thinking of owning an NI, to research sibes, mals and GSDs and take the worst points from them, because they could end up with the worst case scenario in a pet. It may not happen but I would suggest no one takes the risk of owning an NI without firstly accepting that they may be stubborn, may not return on command and they could be dominant.

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Now that sounds more like my bull terrier lol
but thats about as far away form a NI you could get

I think it's fair to say Zuba that before you get ANY BREED of dog you should consider that they may be stubborn, may not return on command and could be dominant!
All these traits I see on a regular basis in a whole variety of breeds in class!!

Just wanted to add in regard to health testing.

I would take a health tested dog but not kc registered over a kc reg one who was not health tested. Health testing is paramount to the well being and the future of any breed and if societies decide to use a breed in their "new breed" then they should take on ALL the health testing responsibilities of the founding breeds and not pick and choose which ones suit them.

That can be true but they are dominant traits in the sibes and mals of this world along with other things, that was just a few examples. Many a time have these breeds been killed because their owner believed them to be responsible off the lead and then one day out of the blue they saw something that was more interesting and bam gone. I have seen one two many adverts for NIs saying all the things that Sibes and mals are not, I dont see how by introducing the more reliable GSD that the bad traits can be bred out.

And I wouldn't say that "any breed" of dog can have the characteristics of being stubborn, bad at recall and dominant, if they are bred properly and well there are many breeds which do not have these traits.

even if they are crossbred, which is what I said so basically you are saying that crossbred dogs being accepted onto the breed register is more acceptable to you because they are the correct colour than a pure bred dog of the wrong colour.
Becky

So you joined a NI forum to equire about them, but you didn't join a Mal forum or a Sibe forum to enquire, you just read about them, and decided the bad points were enough to put you off ?

If you had joined a Mal/Sibe forum you would have discovered (God forbid) that there are many, many, many Mals/Sibes that ARE good off the lead, ARE good with Cats and other small furries, and DON'T actually need excessive exercise.

But of course the NI has been going for so long and been bred so well, that all these BAD traits have been bred out, haven't they ?

Can I just ask a very serious question here to ANYONE from ANY of the Inuit Clubs........

Q. IF Mal and Sibe traits are so undesirable that people are put off of buying them and instead choose an Inuit, WHY were they used in the first place to creat the NI ?

I'm sorry but I have to disagree as I have experienced many breeds from the very small to the very large with these traits sadly it isn't just about breeding.

OOh good point!!