Questions (What are Northern Inuits like as pets) Questions

And that's what I dislike, not many hip scored because it wasn't compulsory when in reality your own breeding morals and ethics should make it so, you shouldn't do it because you are told to but because you truely believe in health testing breeding stock.
Becky

Surely if the dogs being born after jan 2006 are to be hipscored they can't be scored until january 2007 when they are 1yr old.. What age does the CoE determine the stud dogs be??

So if that is a fact then only pups born after such time have hip scoring parents that were properly recorded

Yes thats exactly the point I was trying to make, that the 0/0 dogs would not have been used to create the NI ;-)

The OP was undecided about NI & Mal to begin with, it wasn't a case of going over to a Mal from a NI ;-)

Well said.

I have to say I find it very worrying that if Vets are registering NI Hip Scores under the breed names of the original breeds, that means that it could potentially bump either of the breeds mean scores up, even though they are wrong because they are not the original breeds, they are crossbreeds Surely it's misleading information to the BVA too, should vets be allowed to do this ?

You are not the only one who found this very worrying! The vets cannot put a crossbreed down as purebred dog - this is falsifying the information and giving an innacurate picture as to the true status of HD in any one breed.

I would be amazed if a vet has actually done this.

Glad it's not just me

So if the BVA don't accept Hip scores from crossbreeds on their list and they woudn't risk falsifying information, how have NI's managed to get on the register for hip scoring ?

Either they are accepting cross breeds or some of them are falsifying the paperwork and jeopardising the pure breed register stats !!!

I would to know the names of which Vets are doing this !

I find it far too incredible as they have non KC recognised breeds on the list not only Utonagans and Labradoodles but Cane Corso and Presa Canario as well so I find it all a bit strange to be honest. What has been said is right, if vets are putting them down as something they are not then the paperworks is inaccurate and therefore has been falsified!
Becky

You are not alone I mentioned it earlier ;-)

Yes, it was because you mentioned it, that it got me thinking about th implications of it all ;-)

Hi Lucy

To answer your question about health probs, there IS HD in the breed, I know of a number of NI's that are being treated for HD, and I know for a fact that certain members that have posted on this forum have met at least 1 of these dogs. I also know of a number of NI with epilepsy, and again I know for a fact that these members have met at least one of these dogs, too. So these members are not being very honest when they say they are unaware of any health probs. There may also be Addisons disease within the breed as there has been a number of sudden and unexplained deaths in young dogs ranging from 6-24 months old, The Inuit Dog Association is looking into this. It's just a shame that only one group i.e. NIS is aloud on here so you are only reading one side.

There is a code of ethics/practice with the group I am a part of, and there is a list being made of approved breeders. In order to get onto this list it is a requirement to hip score and DNA test breeding stock, there is no max age for hip scoring but the min age is 12 months for a bitch and 18 months for a dog. The mean score given by the BVA for NI's is 17, this will be published in Jan 2008.

Thanks for that info, it's good to know that there are some people trying to ensure dogs are healthy and are being open and honest.
Becky

ETA although I am very disappointed to discover that some of the breeders of these dogs do not have their own 'code of ethics' and insist on health testing their breeding stock regardless as to whether they had to or not.

According to this (2003) : http://www.vetrica.com/care/dog/hdscore.shtml the breed average for Mals is 13 and 7 for Huskies, GSD's are 19 Personally if the NI score average is 17, its not that low, IMO and requires a lot of looking into. I would of expected a mean in the region of around 12, given the fact these dogs are fairly light in comparion to two of the breeds they come from.

You are welcome

Yes I agree with you.

It's not that high either. We have to start from somewhere, and as with all breeds with HD it will take time to lower. I do think that at least one group is making a step in the right direction.

I just think its high if you consider the Mal is much lower and weighs twice as much. If scoring by responsible breeders was there from the start, maybe the mean would be much lower? I agree you have to start somewhere and I also agree that the breed has health issues, not least retained testicles which is hereditary.

Well thank you Cheyenne for being honest and open.. and thank you for highlighting the epilepsy thing too..that must be where the fitting dogs come from..

What do you mean by only one side is allowed on here.. are people registered with TIDA not allowed to register on Dogsey???

At least people from TIDA give answers!!!

Yes retained testicles is also a problem, and is surprisingly common. There was a litter born recently sired by a dog with a retained testicle, TIDA refuesed to register the litter so the owner went elsewhere.