Stud potential ? Discussions

I will also add that handling can play a huge part in how a dog stands.

I've seen many a dog look like it has weak pasterns or other 'faults', yet when handled by someone else, looks correct and this goes for 'on the move' too.

I've seen a lot of good dogs let down by handlers that don't know how to do a dog justice, and many handlers that have glorified a dog by managing to 'hide' certain faults

If that was the case then she would not have done well at NI shows aswell as other shows.

Enjoyed reading this thread. I'm not going to try and sound like I know anything about NI's but I've been lucky enough to go on a walk with kain and he's a cracking dog.

I do agree that pictures can be deceptive though.

I do think that in order to give an accurate opinion of dogs and the way they are handled etc without actually seeing them it would take alot more than 1 or 2 photos of each dog to correctly evaluate each dog and the way it is shown.

The dogs shown on these photographs are some of the dogs that have been chosen by various judges and they obviously made their choices well as the same dogs seem to consistantly do well regardless of the judge.

These photos were not added to pick on the finer points of the breed standard. This I believe is being updated in the near future so perhaps that is the time to comment on it.

The point of these photographs was to show that the type of dogs that do well in shows and are used for breeding would not be mistaken for GSD's

That's a good point. I think that until the breed standard is reworked and people know what to look for, I for one would say that an Inuit 'should' look like it's own breed, and not that of the breeds it derived from.

I think to be fair,,,not sure how the entrys are at NI shows, how many etc,,, but the judge may well know the standard but he is also judging the dogs in the ring, so in a line up, he SHOULD go for the closest thing to the standard, so really a fair bit depends on what your up against,,,kinda judging to standard, but judging against the dogs in the class,
just out of noseyness what are the average class entrys at NI shows?

I'm new to the breed, but white is just as to type as grey, the face mask markings on the coloured dogs can make the dog look more wolfy, without the dog being more wolf shape. Sapphire is not even a white dog as she has silver blue in her coat, and she has been placed above grey dogs at shows, as the judges can see beyond the colour, and judge her on her good points.

class sizes at the northern inuit society shows this year were big most having about twenty dogs in.as for the standard yes it is well over due for updating and we will be starting work on this in december after are last northern inuit do ofthe year.
the fact my dogs have a thicker more dense coat than the two bitches,could possibly be as my dogs live out and the two bitches seen are house dogs.

Its not a dig Abbie, just a suggestion people who are not familiar with a breed standard see different things in dogs, I was referring to the companion shows you had been posting about during the summer and the fact that she was in mixed breed classes.

Possibly, but there shouldnt be that much difference, especially in a dog that is just a year old, his coat really has only had a summer on it.

As I said these are not critisisms, they are obsevations and as I and others have said, photographs are one thing, getting your hands on a dog is another .

I hope the OP now knows a bit more about what the breed standard is trying to achieve and will make a contribution to the thread after everyone elses effort.


angelmist
I think you will see what I meant when you look at the males pasterns, they are upright, whereas your bitches lay back, more like a GSD, in the pictures anyway. Thanks for posting them.
Dawn.

Northern Inuit's have been shown in this country now for the last 2 years. There are many judges, some we see regularly, and also often get a new judge. I do not know if they have actually looked up the breed standard but would imagine at least some of them have the foresight to educate themselves to a breed that they are judging regularly. I understand that if a judge does not know the breed standard then the dog is judged on conformation and movement.

Sacha has never not been placed in the top 3 at each show this year under many different judges in classes of usually around 20 dogs including many dogs that show at IKC.

I believe that agricultural shows are not thought of as a lower version of showing than IKC by the majority of people that show at both. Only last week I was speaking to somebody that shows at both who told me that the agricultural shows are much more competitive and rewarding to be placed.

Also at our training club and at the ringcraft we attend run by an IKC club we have never been made to feel that we have an "inferior breed" just because they are not IKC registered.

It is my belief that both Sacha and our pup Liadan, who has also been regularly placed in puppy classes that always have a very large entry, are both good quality northern inuits. If they didn't excel at and enjoy showing then we wouldn't do it.

I do feel a bit that most of the NI owners are a tad defensive, I guess you have reasons, but please dont take any of my comments and questions, as anything but curiosity, intrest in the breed, they are not ment to offend,x

No offence taken. I don't think anyone means their posts to come across as defensive. I certainly don't and have no reasons to.

Hang on a minute, I NEVER said they were inferior, you are saying that! If you read my post you will see that I said do you think its possible the judges are not familair with the breed, therefore NOT aware of all the breeds attributes, I think your being a bit defensive here on what was a simple observation!:? I even commented on a critique in the dog press which stated a Border Terrier had a "badger head" demonstrating people who dont know the breeds they are judging often make assumptions in their evaluation.

Again I never said your dogs were not good quality, I think you read too much into my post and have made something out of it that isnt there

I agree with companion and country shows being very competitive, I enjoy going to them too, I mentioned "mixed breeds" again as I was saying judges judging such shows are NOT going to be familiar with ALL the breeds they are judging, hence the missing of breed attributes that some more experienced judges may pick up on. Its a general observation, one we see in very poular breeds all the time when judged by an "allrounder" Hope that explains it a bit better.

the other thing I will say,,,then run for cover is,,,,there is a fair amount of post saying that the op's dog looks like a white gsd,,,fair comment I guess but often when I look at photos of the breed,,now often not always I see a gsd, sibe, or Mal, so I guess it could hold for all breeds,,,if your dog looks too,,,sibe,,,or mal would that go against the dog at stud? or would a sibe or mal type be more worthy of stud,, ? or none of thee above kinda sinario?

Shadowlands has already stated that Inka and Kains breeder was misinformed about Kaos the father yet she already knew Kaos would cover Kara...Inka and Kain has Mahlek in their line...
I took the original pics of Kain off as I knew by the first 3/4 answers this was gonna end up opening another can of worms with the N.I society
Type for me, my opinion only, is Otto, although he is white but white not supposed to be a fault, he has all the looks the breed are supposed to be looking for a wolf like dog.
The bitches all seem to be of type, the stud dogs differing, the new up and coming stud dog Spirit has tan legs, this is supposed to be a fault...GSD markings. What will he bring to better the breed ?
At least cockapoos look like cockapoos and labradoodles look like labradoodles.
Thanks to everyones open comments on Kain, don't worry none taken personally
Janie I too have stopped going into the N.I sites in the past because questions breed defensive answers and as Julie says gets peoples backs up.
Thanks Phil I think Kain is a big belter too.

What I was trying to say Dawn, and sorry if i explained wrong, was that I would imagine that at least some of the judges that regularly judge our dogs would have researched the breeds that they are most likely to regularly come across. There are often as many northern inuits at the shows as there are other breeds and so it is a fair assumption to make that the judges would be prepared to judge them.

Ohh if only this were true! When one breeds a litter of first crosses, more often than not, some look like the dam, some look like the sire and some are inbetween. I have seen many labrador x poodles (can't bring myself to type the cutsie name!) looking like badly bred labs or heavy set poodles - nothing like the 'ideal' that people think of.

Anyway, this is very off topic so I'll quit while I can

Debs

I can imagine how they must've looked after first crossings but glad I have'nt actually saw it.

I agree, Id like to think most judges at least read the standards of the dogs they are likely to see at shows, at least you get a fair crack of the whip then.
Dawn.

I agree I was asked to judge a match night at a local ring craft. I asked the secretary which breeds I was likely to get and studied all the breed standards. Too be honest if people are paying for your opinion its only fair you know what your talking about.