Rough v Smmoth Border Collies? General Chat

My dogs all have lines back to Cap and Coon

Great photo of Rjj. Have you started him on sheep yet?

Teagan is a fab looking girl - have you tried her on sheep at all?

Does anyone know how to share PDF files?

Any excuse to show off my dogs - here are some pics! I did want to attach their pedigrees too, but don't know how to attach PDF files :-(

Moss





Rip





Rob





Tweed

No, unfortunately not, she did stand on the track once to turn the sheep into a field at the country park as the shepherds dog was lame and he said she had a good eye. I was going to take her there to try her on the sheep, but the shepherd left the day before I took her. Someone I know takes their dog to their dogs breeder up in Norfolk and he said she was going to do a clinic nearer and I said I'd be interested, but she then split up with her husband, so the clinic never happened, I just think we're destined not to have a go.

Your dogs are all lovely.

That is a shame - she looks such a worky type.

Thanks

& she is !!!

No because I wouldn't be able to work him every day & he wouldn't be happy not doing so because of his breeding, he does have a lot of eye.

He has however moved a few young heifers for a friend(they are dogged so are not dangerous for a working dog)His wife had taken all their dogs(ACDs to move some bullocks that had strayed for another farmer)& forgotten he was moving the heifers. One challenged him for three minutes, but he stood his ground & eventually she trotted off with her mates.

Roy Senior is on this site as is his mum

There were roughs & smooths in the litter Roy(the human)kept the other dog a Tri smooth

Wow - Teagan really IS the spitting image of Roy

What a powerful looking dog he is. He reminds me of Thomas's Don.

I have now spoken to both my OH and my sheepdog trainer about a "Nap type".

Both agree with my view that what is actually meant by a Nap-type is just that certain dogs have lines that go back to Whitehope Nap - who was a National Champion and lined with many bitches as a consequence. Many prestigious dogs of the past have had a certain look or style - most especially dogs such as Wiston Cap, Whitehope Nap, Bosworth Coon and more recently dogs such as Thomas's Don, Dalziel's Wisp or Dryden Joe, Johnny Wilson's Spot etc etc etc and therefore when you see their offspring, they can be referred to as a "Dryden Joe type", "Thomas's Don type" etc etc. This doesn't mean they are distinct and different types of collie, just they come from a certain line.

Hope that makes sense!!

Now that does make sense

It does yes, thank you
It does clarify why there are [ or were, before dilution over the years ] particularly distinctive known `types`, it ties in nicely with what I found

Kali Kolsson



Snorri the Priest

These two gentlemen (?!) are not smooth-coated, or as hairy as their predecessor (My Glen,who was a rescue, and possibly a "Barbie collie"), but they are pure farmyard. I will leave it to those who are far more into the nitty-gritty of breeding to decide what sort they are! They have no written pedigree whatsoever, they're just Orkney farm dogs. There is a definite "Clook look" to their family, though (Clook being the farm where they were born - there is a tendency up here to refer to a working strain by the name of the farm where it started).

Both are, as I say, from working stock, although neither of them work for me. Snorri-dog has a knack of circling people on the beach, then dropping ("clapping") to watch them. Kali, on the other hand, stands like Jimmy Cagney and stares at farm animals - I've been told he would have been good with cattle.

One of the things farmers here seem to use to judge potential in a BC pup is whether or not the roofs of their mouths are spotty or not! And the size of their feet! But then, this IS the Twilight Zone! Kali and Snorri have spotty mouths, and had huge feet! They still get recognised as "Clook dogs".

PS - as to eye colour, can't help there - my boys' eyes are blue!

Snorri

Obviously as your dogs aren't ISDS registered, you will never know their true parentage Snorri - although I would imagine that collies have been on Orkney for generations and therefore they may have a particular type all of their own. It also depends on whether dogs have been home bred on Orkney for a long time without any new blood being brought in.

Are there many trials held on Orkney?

We have some local trialling, although it doesn't generate the same publicity as (say) one of the local shows (beauty contests!). In all the time I've lived here, I've never actually seen a collie working! I think that most of the "workers" spend their time sitting on tractors, keeping the farmers company!

I've just taken a quick flick through the local "bumwiper" and there doesn't seem to be much on the go at the moment!

The collies here have definite differences - my lads are much smaller than my first boy, for a start (the Orkney versions of most animals are smaller) - most Orkney-born dogs will be from parents who have descended from "Orkney lines" for quite a while. Kali's dad was actually from Shetland, where the same circumstances will apply.

I have even sat with Kali in a Kirkwall pub while a farmer tried to buy him! The guy just didn't get the message and kept upping his offer until he was waving £450 cash in my face! The idea that I wasn't going to sell my best friend just didn't penetrate. No chance! :twisted:

Snorri

hello
i have dylan whom is full collie boy ,he is short coated blue merle stunning boy very big ,long legged . he is very nice natured , we had him at 9 weeks old from rescue ,he was very large puppy boy ,who has just got bigger lol he is quick nice natured ,he has all the creeping collie moves ,whilst out in the park ,if we go by the sheep area he dos instantly take note and looks very interested . he is a thinker and he,allways ways things up.

out of a matter of interest a lady with four collies stopped us in the park sunday and said he is BEARSKIN ,dos anybody know what this means ?

Bareskin just means short coated

thank you lol we did think it would mean that just look at the lad him self







i love this lovely creature