UK Czech wolfdog breeders General Chat

check these breeders out in the UK, Looks pretty cool



Lets put pressure on DEFRA and the Kennel club to recognise the czech wolfdog

This is what has to be done to get a new breed recognised.

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/603


Dawn R.

The KC are quite happy to recognise breeds that are recognised in their country of origin. The problem we have here in the UK is that wolf hybrids are classed under the Dangerous Wild Animals Act and therefore you need a licence to own one.
It's not that they wont be recognised, infact technically DEFRA do recognise them, you just need a licence to own any wolf hybrid.
Becky

You need a licence from the council and they have to be housed carefully (like a wild animal).
There is a thread on here already about wolf dogs.
I think, givven the current atmosphere towards dogs in this country at the moment and talk of extending the DDA (Dangerous Dogs Act) it is highly unlikely that wolfdogs will be taken off DEFRA's dangerous wild animals list...actually it's more than highly unlikely I think it's totally impossible (rightly or wrongly).

Just noticed you own a wolf dog and live in Scotland, given the current climate you really should be careful about saying that.

Wolf hybrids need a licence and as such their accomodation needs to be secure and there are restrictions n movement...

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-countryside/gwd/wildact.htm#what

Lets not...
If they were formally recognised and ended up in the show ring, they would end up being churned out to be bought by people who want one purely for the dogs looks and are far too clueless to even work an Aibo let alone live with such a specialist breed which, realistically, few people, [ comparatively speaking ], are capable of caring for properly.

Look at how many people dump the easiest of dogs because they got too big / shed too much / want too much exercise etc etc.

If they were bred unchecked, which would undoubtably happen, they would be easy prey for chavs, hoodies, those involved in dog fights other sickening cruelties meted out by scum who should not be allowed within a hundred miles of any animal.

When so many people completely screw up the most understood and easily catered for breeds, churn out litter after litter for easy money with no health checks, no thought or care where they end up as happens to every breed already - do you really want to see Wolfdogs in the general population as well ?
They would be what dreams are made of to puppy farmer scumbags...

Yes, they have to be licensed, rightly so.
Imagine then, a few years down the line, loads of people posing around with their new wolfy accessory, he or she escapes and mates with the poodle down the road, what about those pups - it would be a nightmare for people to keep within the law - that would be more of a farce than it already is now.
I`ll guarantee you the first time one bites, no matter how far the dog was pushed to it, that will be it, anything looking remotely wolf like - some Alsatians, some Belgian Shepherds, NIs, Huskies, you name it, they`ll be on the DDA banned list in a flash, with yet more dogs being snatched from decent owners whose dogs have never done anything to anyone, being destroyed because of the usual media frenzy and idiot magistrates / police / judges who would`nt know a dog from a submarine.

Nope, sorry, I think recognising them formally would be a disaster in the making.

Just my opinion.

It's sad that these dogs have been brought into this country because they have to live a life behind bars so to speak.
Becky

I have just said a similar thing on my existing thread 'Guess Who's 1 Today' where wolfdogsteve has put an identical message up. He must be nuts bragging about his dogs in the current climate. I am getting funny looks (more than usual that is!!) off people and also other people giving us a wide berth when I am out walking my 2

My dogs are great temprament, No aggression but they are a handfull sometimes (and they are still young), The SSPCA were down checking out the facilities also, they were quite impressed... I'm quite proud acctually ... is my site... I bought Kane from , This guy great, They are not F1 hybrid wolves that the DWA licence is needed for, they are an established wolfdog breed from the eastern block. They are no more 'hybrid' than the sibe, NI, Tamaskan, Greenland dog, or even the German Shepherd (bred back with wolves as recently as 1850)

and its of course a shame about the little girl that was killed, but this was by a badly cared for american pitbull terrier out of his face on anabolic steroids. He was bred for fighting anyone who knows anything about wolves and wolfdogs could tell you that they are the opposite (timid if anything)

Steve, I know exactly what you mean. I am not saying that wolf hybrids are vicious creatures at all, as you say the wolf is timid and is unlikely to attack. However, people today are especially quick to point the finger at any dog that is different from the norm and Czech wolfdogs are different!!! You probably won't ever have seen the storm that certain tabloids kicked up in the early 90's with Killer Wolfdogs as their headlines, and all sorts of lurid (and totally innaccurate) information. In fact I was only saying to a friend the other day that the pit bull headlines by these tabloids were virtually identical to those of the furore they created over wolfdogs in the 90's, with just the breed name changed. Totally inoffensive dogs were confiscated from their owners never to be seen again. During the court hearings it was said that as far as the law was concerned any dog which had even 1% wolf in it would be governed by the DWA. It is all well and good to say you have the right facilities, fine, but not everyone who buys one off you will have these facilities, and people being what they are, sooner or later the brown stuff will hit the fan, and those puppies that you have bred and loved could well be the victims.

I think all dog enthusiasts should protest to the banning of the 4 breeds that have been ridiculed since 1991, its disgusting my views are strong 1 i am against dog fightin g and the lowlifes who do it and cruelty toward any animal, but banning 4 fighting breeds is pathetic, The American Pitbull and Tosa is supposed to be the ultimate fighters not that i like it but i research lots of breeds but there are quite alot of deadly breeds just as powerful as these 4, they are not born made its the owners, the fact is if there was only 1 breed in the world say the pomermian then the coward would fight them, and the 4 ban breeds are all great dogs so i have read and there are plenty of potentialy lethal breeds, from the jrt, st bernard, mollosor types, Rotweilers, dobes, akitas,malumutes etc many many more even the smallest, my other point is which could and probably is a fact say a American pit bull terrier attacking a man, or a Wolfhound, Mastiff, Akita,Rotweiler,presa canario, GSD,Am bulldog etc- they are treated like **** what breed is more likely going to take down a tough or average man the quickest is it the pit bull that might hit 70 Lb in weight, or is it the other bigger breeds that all hit the 100Lb+ weight, its obviusly the bigger breeds or u could say all of them including the pit bull, so these laws are wrong i am not into the Pitbull not for any reason apart from i like the breeds with different functions, but the idiots that right these laws that know 0 about dog breeds should un write them. Lets put down the horrible people that ruin dogs not the dogs and have a free country because not being legaly able to buy any breed is not Free.

Unfortunately the DDA was a knee jerk reaction to attacks by pitbills 15 years ago. We all knew what would happen, and it did, the breed went underground, and became a 'trophy' dog. As soon as you tell someone they can't have something, they want it. It is an extremely bad piece of legislation, but I can't see it being overturned to be honest. I think it will amended in the light of recent events and will possibly be even more draconian

Going back on track I think it is illegal to sell an animal restricted under the DWA to someone who doesnt have a licence.
Becky

regardless of the breed this was an attack by a badly trained and socialised dog that could have been any 'trophy' breed. As I've expressed a few times about wolf hybrids, theyare the very dogs that could end up in such hands. Why oh why would you want that?

Completely agree 100%

tawneywolf ur exactly right, and the breed is underground and our stupid goverment have made more pit bulls suffer i get angry thinking about it its always the pitbulls fault, well if i was PM or the home secretary i would abolish dog bans altogether, and have a laid back have what ever dog u like approach which some countries have, but be heavy on the owners really heavy so heavy that if the little girl tragedy happened then the owner and dog sitter would be caged and beaten just as the dog was and starved, i don't even think this is extreme, whats extreme is the hell that dog went through and also many more and the 6 others found in a hell hole, i would also ruin the papers career for printing the garbage they do, so if it was a country where all breeds where free and the punishment was severe it would be alot better there should also be better facilities and help with funding for old people and poorer people, with specialised courses for education on dogs thinking, guarding instincts, hunting and health there fore this would sort out the problem, i would also put dog prices up to say £3/4 000, which would stop crack addicts and violent cowards that are out of work from buying a dog they don't really want, and the poorer people that are genuine dog lovers that will suffer from the price hike, then cut them a deal, they would have to do a proper course or a voluntary aninimal work, if they pass then a dog will be bought out of goverment funds, sorry to go on but i think its a great idea lol

If dog prices went up to 3-4k they would become extinct in this country as very few people could afford them. A dog free country, hmmm, don't like the sound of that.
Becky

That I do agree with, penalties for cruelty are a pathetic joke, thats why its so rife

Also agree, it was discussed on Dogsey a while back. Yes there would be those who would slip through the net but thats the case in all things

That I don`t agree with though I do understand your line of thinking there. The major flaw would be, its the junkies and other criminals who would get the money - usually by committing more violent crimes and more drug dealing - to pay such a high price and there is obviously a lot of money in dog fighting so it would`nt stop them either, one well placed bet and theres the money for the next dog. Money isnt the issue for them, its bloodlust and they will fulfil it any way they can at any cost.

A huge number of people already do that in one way or another, wether active voluntary work cleaning kennels, or fostering, or doing fundraisers, or by buying things for rescues, or buying things from which the profit goes to rescues.

As far as some sort of compulsory formal basic animal care course goes, [ preferably with a specialty aspect on the breed or animal type people want to have ], yep, I wish, I really do.
Sadly I cant see it happening unless I end up running the world [ :smt044 ], in which case puppy farmers, dog fighters and other undesirables - watch out.... ;-) :twisted:

In some aspects, while I dont agree on all points, I really can see what you are considering and that its because you do care about what happens to `high risk` dogs, [ high risk of being abused because of human sickness I mean, not because the dogs themselves are risky, just to make that clear ], but even if things were they way you outline, the whole thing falls down at the goverment paying for peoples dogs - now that aint *never* gonna happen :smt043

Patch, thanks for your nice reply lol, i will have to message mahooli about her keep digging at me lol, but its nice to see u know what i am getting at

3/4 k would definately put most people including me in owning a dog when i wanted but this is the idea if u want 1 that much then save for a long time, then the scum wont get any and if they did they will think twice in making them nasty

the idea in high prices is that if u wanted a dog that much then u will have to save for a long time, = most lowlife wont bother, can u explain to me ur comments on dog free country i don't like the sound of that, do u mean keep the 4 lovely breeds in the right hands banned, if u do then this is a reason for this dictating dog rubbish and u should realise that forget breeds-its humans and if u ban 1 or 4 breeds then u can argue, that ther are alot of breeds on par in power etc to the ban breeds, so lets ban all dog breeds because we could lose a eye, leg or life, lots of dogs not just guard dog breeds but say them at the minute have kept many worried people happy and saved owners since day 1 thats 1 thing there good for. and if i am right if u own a dachsund then this breed is bred for or used for badger baiting which is cruel so this breed is also a fearless and capable of being vicious you can go right down the line, how bout princess annes Bull terriers ay, how horrible are or where they bit a child or a couple, ate the Queens corgi but ahhh thats ok its Anne she can do as she likes, my Dad has still got a scar from a kid when a Jack Russel bit him on the face unprovoked, very close to his eye but does he hate JRT no no no he understands why, moron owner it was of the lead and that was 40 odd year ago

Lets get knife banned and use our hands to break food open do u want some toast hang on this breads a bit hard, all because there are some bad cowardly, mental people roaming around also lets ban my big dog so that the crack addict scum can hurt my family while i am working what a sad place it will be then, before that happens i will immigrate to a more dog tolerent country and tell u all about a magnificent Fila Brazilia that i own but because of the U.K laws u can't own, does anyone understand what i mean about the restrictions its a big wind up