Utonagans and Northern Inuits ????? Purpose ! Discussions

does the NI society have a rescue???

yes we do have a rescue, the first port of call being the breeders, who will always take back any dog they have bred (apart from one i know of)there havent been too many end up in rescue centres and a lot of these have phone numbers of society members so will usually get in touch. rune, exactly how many do you know of that have ended up in rescue. errrrr btw my dogs have dug holes all over my garden, apart from escaping to australia, their sense of direction must be crap as they usually dig straight down, yes they do suffer from seperation anxiety, this isnt a secret, we have never denied it, and i dont care what breed, you will always get the odd undesirable temperament, but i dont know why im bothering as it seems you are the expert, and by calling us all 'bad apples' you are overstepping the mark, you dont know me, you dont know my dogs. 2 of my dogs are rescues, not bred by me and will never be bred from, doesnt make them any less thought of than my breeding stock, so stop tarring us all with the same brush.

Absolutely right There's bad apples with every breed I own KC reg dogs and 'alternative breeds' and sitting here thinking about it I probably know of more 'bad apples' within the KC circles that what I do within my 'alternative breeds'

I agree, I've seen this topic done to the death on other places and all they seem to do is go around in circles - I know how frustrating it is, belive me

I sympathise with you all I really do and I understand perfectly well why owners of the breed are upset - as I would be too, as far as I can remember the questions have been answered to owners best abilities (Been a while since I read the whole thread through from the start) but I do think that you have all been more than patient, I would have probably been banned or would have had at least a warning within the first few posts


I do actually have a question (Kinda hoping that you can answer) nothing to do with the history of the breed, etc, etc.

But is there a Northen Inuit Rescue Society? An official NI Rescue that works in hand with the NI Society? (If I have missed that page on the website, I apologise in advance)

thankyou!

hi, im nikki i'm new on here, i have 2 ut's, would just like to say hi, to evryone, my pup wolfie of 6 months is such a loving sopy thing, loves evryone, big or small, loves evry dog or animal he has ever met, yes they are totally diffrent to any breed i know or have owned,just so funny in there ways, i could sit and watch them all day, and i did'ent belive when i was told they only eat when they want to, i thought a pup is a pup ( eat anything thats going and more) but no they were right, very surprized, very pleased with the breed, have owned gsd's before, i have met some or quite a lot of NI dogs at a show and spoke to there owners, what big stunning dogs some of them were, but i will say i had a stroke of them all and none were nasty to any of us, anyway i'll leave you to get on with your chat, as i am having a look or should i say read on this site finding my way around, catch up with you later, nikki.

hi nikki, glad you liked our dogs lol

hi, sutty was just reading up on the tamascan thread, she is not ansering anything is she, yes loved all your dogs that i saw, it was at the hop farm park in kent, were you there? there was a couple that had 4 NI + one male pup the big male was gourgous could not take my eyes off him, i think they came from bedfordshire, had to have a stroke and cuddle evry time we came across any, only saw one other ut there, as i think they all live a long way from me, nice to chat to you, nikki.

awww no i wasnt there, i thought for a mo you had been to one of our shows, we have a great time

I think you could possibly be talking about Andrew Reeve... his stud dog is called Dakota.. my Freya`s dad. The male pup.. is Freya`s brother Blade (if it is the same family)

hi, i tried my hardest to remember the dogs name but he was huge, so stunning, they were a young couple that had them, it will always stay in my mind the huge dogs and them being draged behind, i thought they were so brave walking all five round, as they must be very powerful, as my two ut's are, nice to chat, thanks, nikki

Thankyou! I was up late and yes it was a spekking mesake!

does he ring a bell?

Gorgeous boy, Janie.

Url removed. Sorry, but we don't allow links to other dog forums/message boards. ......I hope this enlightens you to how as an NI owner your spoken to for having an opinion. Rune

Hi Rune...

I am actually pleased of the questions re health and the conduct 'behind the scenes' it can only be of benefit...questions are good and healthy.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'dig to escape' the separation anxiety stops mine from doing that

No seriously mine LOVE to dig and this has always freely been talked about as far as I am concerned together with possible separation anxiety. More so since I got my dogs. I see all the pictures of dogs laying next to their proud work...Mine dig but it is always in the middle of the lawn never at the edges trying to escape...I lived for a yr with only a 4ft fence surrounding our garden and not once did they want out...

Separation anxiety has always been openly talked about maybe not under that exact heading but it is in fairness freely stated that these dogs don't do well alone. They say they can become destructive if left alone etc etc...Though mine have never destroyed a thing one of them is far to busy howling and the other is far to distracted by that to do anything...lol

As an owner and someone who has followed the breed in it's progress I will always disagree that temperament isn't good in the dogs because for me I have no reason to question it.

They are not for a first time owner and if you are a first time owner you must be willing to learn very quickly simply because they are a large boisterous dog that like many need lots of attention.

However I still welcome questions being asked re the health and ethics.

I know you don't honestly feel that way about ALL of us...I'm not sure by people if you mean everyone in the N.I.S or all owners etc...But it might be worth pointing that out because with generalized statements you can see how people can get upset.

I initially was a bit peeved with how the original thread was titled but I think I understand after reading other posts by Malady that it is just her way or wording things. I made a few posts through gritted teeth then relaxed and like I said I think certain questions are really good but I do think people should always remain diplomatic or else the thread becomes nothing but emotive and off topic.

I have just read the 'Official Statement' by the NIS on their yahoo forum - they really are unbeliveable - do they honestly think people have such short memories?

Ok just to remind everyone - here is the calendar of events so you can all do the sums and make your own minds up.


11 September 2006 Ian Hoole resigned from the NIS Committee


23 and 24 September 2006 The Chairperson was at Paws in the Park in Kent - a two day event where a few NI owners promoted the breed - we met many of you there.


27 September 2006 Message number 8638 was posted on Yahoo stating that Sandra Curry had been removed as Chairperson of the NIS - no explaination but following many messages asking why (most of which never got approved) members were promised a full statement after their meeting on the 22nd October 2006.


29 September 2006 Ian Hoole retracts his resignation.


1st October 2006 A few dissatisfied members of the NIS committee met to discuss whether or not Sandra Curry should stay to put things right within the NIS or if it would serve everyone better if a new Association was started (this meeting had been arranged just prior to the NIS announcement on the 27th September)


1st Otober 2006 It was pointed out on yahoo by an NIS committee member that they had used Sandra Curry's own rules to terminate her position, but stating that they had amended those rules in order to do it - this message will not be found on yahoo now since it was very quickly removed from the forum.


7th October 2006 the new Association committee was formed.


10th October 2006 The Chairperson wrote to all 460 members - signing each letter personally (regrettably these letters could not be personalilsed due to the time involved) but this was done for information only. The Chairperson considered it her responsibility to advise members that she was leaving to start a new venture and was entitled to use this information since it was agreed when the database was set up that Carol, Julie and Sandra should have full and equal access to it. I don't believe there is any member who has objected to her writing to them.


22nd October 2006 The NIS held a meeting (I have heard rumour that this didn't actually take place and has been rescheduled for three weeks time - but this could just be a rumour - it will be interesting to see the minutes of this meeting).


23rd October 2006 Message number 8914 Changes to the NIS committee were announced - lo and behold Ian Hoole is now Acting Chairperson "in Sandra Currys absence" (?)
No other explaination.


25th October 2006 Message number 8940 Announcement from the NIS states that since Sandra Curry wrote to all members and canvassed members without consent then she should be suspended (?).


How can she be suspended for setting up another organisation after having already been terminated as Chairperson - even if this was done by a phone vote of just a few members of the Committee and not following the guidelines set out in the constitution - oh yes, I forgot - they changed the rules didn't they so they could do this!



Regarding the Chairperson's statement at the AGM when she said there were no health issues in the breed - this statement was made under pressure from those above her in the NIS. At that time she was still hoping to be able to influence those people into doing something about the problems.

Read messages 8565 - 8570 on the yahoo forum. It is obvious from this thread that there is a problem in the breed but according to the 'hobbyist breeders' its ok as they have found a supposed loophole in the law to allow it. There is no such loophole incidentally and the statement re Trading Standards is not true.

How many of you have male NI with only one or even no testicles at all? Probably most of you. This is a serious problem and unless it is taken seriously and sorted soon there will BE no NI in the future.

As for the Health and Behaviour Survey that Sandra Curry is conducting - this is her own personal survey and is ongoing. The information is being gathered in connection with her application to get the breed recognised by the KC and that is still in process.

I could comment on their forum the Dogs Bollix - but won't.



Incidentally - all Inuit Dog Association Members will receive a survey form when they get their first newsletter - since Sandra is continually updating the information that and it is vital to be aware of changes within the breed.


An individual has offered to Chair a meeting of both groups in order for members to ask questions and get the answers they want regarding the health issues within the breed.

I understand that Sandra Curry has accepted his offer on behalf of The Inuit Dog Association (which represents owners and breeders of Northern Inuit dogs). It will be interesting to see if the Northern Inuit Society are willing to be as open.

the last post does not seem to have any relevance to me re the start of this thread ...."purpose of the Utonagans and Northern Iniuts"...... it seems to me that someone has purposely joined dogsey to have a go at the NI Society itself, rather than discuss the merits of the two breeds.

I say this as an impartial member who does not own either breed, and also feel that it's great to ask questions and research the breed before buying a pup or dog. but as i said it seems a strange post to me!

Well said, I too feel this thread was started as a blatent insult to all NI/Utes, and from what a certain person has said, the owners of Northern Inuits, every NI owner I have met has been a lovely person and it seems to me a certain person with a small mind would find this out for themselves if they went to a show and talked to the owners without hiding behind a PC screen and making snidy remarks.

Just because our breed are not recognised with the KC ... yet, dosent mean that they should be insulted in such a way.

All dog breeds had to start somewhere and just because our breed of choice is relitivly new dosent give anybody the right to be so insulting about our dogs.

Im absolutely furious about some things mentioned in this thread, as are many people from what I have seen on other forums.

There I have said my bit.

The post was put on here to let people see what is going on in the NIS and to show that their members are not getting the truth from those at the top.

The Northern Inuit is a wonderful breed but unless someone takes steps to rectify problems within that breed it has not got a future.

It is good that some breeders are taking these issues seriously and it is hoped that more will follow suit.

Changed my mind about posting anything.