Utonagans and Northern Inuits ????? Purpose ! Discussions

Surely the first thing to look for when looking for a breed, is to scope out any health or behavioural problems to even conclude your decision for wanting that breed or eliminate that breed from your enquiries.

How silly and irresponsible to suggest that you should not be looking for problems !

I think we should allow Akna the benefit of the doubt, maybe she/he didn't actually mean what they said? Perhaps they could explain a bit more?

I have to say though that the reply matches the stuff on the list, no real replies to any issues there might be.

rune

the problems encountered via the people not the dogs!!!! people are biccering with each other and making assumptions. i dont hear of anyone arguing on here about health problems...only those sceptics who suggest someone whose got an inuit thats only 6 or 7 doesnt know what they are talking about. my gsd is 12 and has had hd since she was 3 i bred her and owned her father. hd can be a serious problem but it doesnt stop people breeding, selling or buying one does it?? or is that because its a kc rec breed? no but because the ni isnt its just one big band wagon!

Oh hello Rune

Hello Julie! Fancy seeing you here (G)!

rune

only those sceptics who suggest someone whose got an inuit thats only 6 or 7 doesnt know what they are talking about. >>>

I hope that isn't referring to my comment that the oldest dog someone has is 4 years old and that health problems often show up after that age? Maybe you misread when I said the person had 6/7 dogs?

my gsd is 12 and has had hd since she was 3 i bred her and owned her father. >>

Just out of interest what were the parents hip scores like? I know sometimes low scores can throw high ones.

<<hd can be a serious problem but it doesnt stop people breeding, selling or buying one does it?? or is that because its a kc rec breed? no but because the ni isnt its just one big band wagon>>

I am afraid you have lost me, most responsible breeders of ANY dog should do all the available health tests before breeding. Personally I am against any breeding unless there are homes available for the pups and at least some are ordered before the bitch even comes into season. I am not in favour of using rescue dogs of any kind to breed from and I don't condone marketing those rescues as being 'stud' dogs!

You haven't explained your last post----did you mean prospective owners shouldn't research the breed they are interested in in?

rune

Im sorry so many 'new' members have joined and give our Northern Inuit Dogs a brand new indigent name?
We have tried to refrain from many arguments held on this forum and think we can hold our heads high having not wrangled into huge argumentive debates.
I for one as the Acting Secretary of The Northern Inuit Society feel we have come up against many many debates, as have the Utonagans and we (I hope) come across with decorum and patience answering as many questions as possible.
I do now feel this thread has answered as much as it can, and wish it a peaceful farewell.
I think from the NIS point of view most of the owners cannot give anymore to this and we will not be answering any more questions on this thread. I hope you will respect our wishes.
Thankyou
Laura Kirkham
NIS A SEC

I have a private message from Luz saying she doesn't know what I mean.

I don't join forums to have private conversations----sorry!

The whole idea is to be able to discuss things with everybody openly. Not to go off in little huddles in corners as if you are in a playground.

I think my post is fairly clear and I also think that the fact that the questions people ask are being ignored says a lot about the people who are now in charge of running this 'breed' and looking after its future.

Frighteningly!

rune

I think you know perfectly well what Luz was trying to say, I do and read it as a typo 'Spelling Mistake'

I think (Well I presume) she meant to say indigen Dictionary meaning >>>>> "One that is native or indigenous to an area" Easy mistake to make when you are typing fastly ;-)

I think (Well I presume) she meant to say indigen Dictionary meaning >>>>> "One that is native or indigenous to an area" Easy mistake to make when you are typing fastly ;-)>>>>

Thanks for clarifying that-----I still don't understand what the statement means though----who has given the NI a new name which is native to an area? What area?

What on earth has that got to do with health or KC issues?

rune

I can't answer your questions on health or KC issues, because I own niether breed.

I think Luz meant in the sense that every now and then someone will come along with a new name for a 'wolf look - a - like' and call it for instance a Native Indian Dog or something to that effect.

I've had a quick read on The Northen Inuit Society webpage I found it quite intresting although I wouldn't know if you would find all the answers to your questions - maybe worth a try? I've clicked the committee link but the webpage is under constuction :? As I was going to suggest maybe contact a member of the committee :? So I can sort of understand why people are frustrated in the sense that there's really no-one 'official' to contact to ask direct, other than all the owners here

I think Luz meant in the sense that every now and then someone will come along with a new name for a 'wolf look - a - like' and call it for instance a Native Indian Dog or something to that effect.>>

Yep---they all seem to have done that including the NI.

<<I've had a quick read on The Northen Inuit Society webpage I found it quite intresting>>

I read that as well. Interesting but I think a bit debatable. Trouble is people tend to think if it is written down on a smart website it is therefore true!

although I wouldn't know if you would find all the answers to your questions - maybe worth a try? >>

<<I have tried asking questions on the list but my posts are blocked----probably because the questions can't be answered.

I would like to know if the society condone someone selling a bitch due on heat and suggesting she can be bred from as soon as she is rehomed----I would assume they do as they allowed that post through.

Its pretty irrelevant now anyway---I wouldn't touch most of the 'breeders' with a bargepole and when I start looking seriously there will be enough in rescue to take my pick!

Thanks anyway.

rune

I am sorry that your questions have not got through on the NI message board ,I dont know if they have been disallowed or if they have vanished into cyberspace as does happen now and again on the group :?

I dont think its responsible to advertise a bitch in this way either :-( I have seen many breeds of dogs advertised in this way though so you cant blame it on just being a NI thing

I just dont think its fair to judge the whole breed on a few bad apples ,there are dodgy people in every breed ,its also important to remember that every "Northern Inuit" out there is not always a NI as sadly I have seen various free Advert sites and papers with dodgy people selling various crosses as NI's - All it takes is some silly person (who has no idea about dogs) to buy a cross that they think is a NI and go round boasting about their NI ,then it turns into a dog they cant handle with no training etc. - this sort of thing can give the whole breed a bad name even if the dog has no NI blood in it :-(

I do not want to debate about this breed I love ,If I had made a post called "Staffies what is their Purpose ????!!!" or any other breed of dog for that matter I would likely have death threats and be banned from the forum ,so why do we have to sit and take it ?

Questions are fine yes and of course its important to find out about a breed your interested in ,but so many people are not happy with what answers they are given and some ask in a rude demanding way ,is it any surprize people get upset :-(

Sorry for rambling on - I'll run away and hide now ;-)

questions have not got through on the NI message board ,I dont know if they have been disallowed or if they have vanished into cyberspace as does happen now and again on the group :? >>

Er---no they weren't in cyberspace (G)

<<I dont think its responsible to advertise a bitch in this way either :-( I have seen many breeds of dogs advertised in this way though so you cant blame it on just being a NI thing>>

I must be very naive as I had never seen it before and was amazed it was allowed to happen, at the very least someone could have pointed out that it wasn't really a good idea!

<<I just dont think its fair to judge the whole breed on a few bad apples ,there are dodgy people in every breed >>

Of course there are---it just seems the bad apples are actually running the NI show!

<<,its also important to remember that every "Northern Inuit" out there is not always a NI as sadly I have seen various free Advert sites and papers with dodgy people selling various crosses as NI's - All it takes is some silly person (who has no idea about dogs) to buy a cross that they think is a NI and go round boasting about their NI ,then it turns into a dog they cant handle with no training etc. - this sort of thing can give the whole breed a bad name even if the dog has no NI blood in it :-(>>.#

Just out of interest if a dog is a GSD, Malamute, Husky cross it then becomes a NI---or doesn't it? If so why not?

<<I do not want to debate about this breed I love ,If I had made a post called "Staffies what is their Purpose ????!!!" or any other breed of dog for that matter I would likely have death threats and be banned from the forum ,so why do we have to sit and take it ?>>

I think the purpose of the breed is obvious----to provide people with a wolf look alike. that is the thing all the sites revolve around, pictures of red indians and dream catchers abound. I don't think that is a bad thing. When we went to the US we met up with wolf hybrids and I would far rather we had wolf look alikes than the real thing!

I can't understand why questions are taken as threats and why you should say you 'have to take it'. It doesn't make sense to me.

<<,but so many people are not happy with what answers they are given and some ask in a rude demanding way ,is it any surprize people get upset :-( >>

I haven't asked anything in a rude demanding way---I started with an open mind looking for information about the dogs----what I have found out has been an education in itself.

rune

i would just like to state for the record, that, about the bitch that is being rehomed, and though it isnt anyones business but the owners and i hope she wont mind me giving the reason why she is having to rehome her. she has loved that bitch from the very start and always intended to breed from her at some point, she gave birth to her baby very prematurely and the baby has numerous health problems not least with her heart. baby is in and out of hospital and also developed an allergy and after tests, it was dicovered that she was allergic to the dog. this woman is heartbroken and has had to make the awful choice between child and dog, what would you do?. the dog in question was never a rescue dog and as been with this family since puppyhood. she has found her a lovely home and i wish her all the best for the future.

the point wasnt missed at all, and it was definitley not advertised as in season to attract more interest. the point being that the bitch is of good health and conformation and could be bred from if anyone, particularly breeders, so wished, also have to say that she was only put on our forum, not advertised publicly, as it happens , she has gone to a good pet home.

I'll be honest with you malady, I wanted my boy's because every Nothern Inuit I visited before commiting had exactly the nature I was looking for in a dog...I wanted a trustworthy companion and thats what I've got 2 fold...they are placid in nature eager to please...I've found...and such a pleasure to be around. I had a Shar Pei, Suki RIP who sadly passed about 7 months ago, she was hard work and we did'nt want to go down the same road again, sooo we went for some thing totally different.

OK------fine----I really wasn't born yesterday (G)!

BTW It is a public forum with over 300 people on it. I am so glad she didn't go to a 'breeder'.

As long as the NI people are happy with what is happening within the 'breed' it really doesn't matter does it? After all it doesn't concern anyone else----and we can all wait for the dogs to come into rescue and then find they are hard to rehome because they do have seperation issues, they do dig to escape and they haven't all got the wonderful temperaments they are advertise to have.

Please don't tell me I am talking rubbish----it is happening already. Unfortunately the people who could stop it aren't willing to.

I'll not post again on this issue. Thanks for proving that my first impressions of the NI people were in fact correct!

rune