Utonagon what the heck

As the Breed Club COE states this then yes members of the club HAVE to do this..

ALL reputable breeders do this as a matter of course.. and high scoring dogs are not used in the breeding programs..
They are also eye checked once a year too

Of course there are the unethical breeders who will breed from unscored or high scoring dogs with no eye tests but then there are those in EVERY breed ...

Yes, a good opportunity to have this done.

Whether or not a dog should be neutered is another topic entirely.

if everyone who could hipscored their dogs of any breed that has a problem and only the ones with good hips were bred from...surely over time then the average would come down...and yay! healthier dogs. weve messed dogs up enough as it is...its time we made it right.
i hope your girls scores are good tawney...but if how they can run/move/play is anything to go by...they should be fine!

Well if they are not to breed standard of have high hips or affected eyes then they should be to prevent any "accidental" litters..

That is the plan... but to do that there must be a true mean score and then anything way over it should not be bred from..
This is happening in most breeds.

well that is my point entirely, obviously people are not using their grey matter and making sure they are only breeding from good stock, otherwise there would be no gsd's with hip problems because it would have been bred out of them by now. Sorry to pick on gsd's, not being doggist or anything it is just that it is a good example. At least we have started doing something positive.
Anyway am disappearing now, got to do girl's veg for their tea, take them walkies, then get off to dog training.

So in that case if it was know that GSD's were so bad then WHY use them to start off another breed???
AND then breed from high scoring Ute's to make more high scoring utes??

I am baffled by it.. there seems to have been no thought gone into the creation of this breed at all..

For interest, there was discussion on neutering on the discussion page:

http://www.dogsey.com/showthread.php?t=33130&highlight=neuter

A bit like a multitude of other breeds!! I have a friend who had a GSD from a very reputable breeder, it's parents were show dogs and had fantastic hip scores, my friends dog hip score was abysmal which is why they sold him as a pet he was pts lasy year at 8 years old because he had a degenerative nerve disease, I know another lady who's 9mnth old Labrador is in the early stages of elbow dysplasia, my sister in law has had three King Charles Spaniels all of which in their latter years have ended up with one eye.

Need I go on? These are all breeds which have generations behind them!! IMO the Utonagan Society should be commended for their commitment to stamping out genetic abnormalities not harangued for the mistakes of one individual.

Nice to meet you all

Ramoth

Hi Ramoth, welcome to Dogsey.

You're right in that all breeds have their health problems and breeders who pay little attention to breeding for the betterment of their breed. The difference with the Utonagan is that it is a new breed in formation and the bloodlines that are now used to establish the breed will have a lasting influence on its future.

I do recognise that some efforts are now being made to address the hip problem but I still find it amazing that the breed wasn't established using health tested individuals to form the best possible gene pool regarding health.

I do think that the first step in addressing problems of this sort is to recognise that they are, at least partially, hereditary and to make all information available. Hopefully the hip status of this breed will be made public knowledge (if it hasn't already) through club mailings to members, but I think that the club website, being the 1st port of call for many would-be owners, should have up to date information on this.
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The mean score is reported as 12 and none of the very high scores are listed on the hip score table. The mean score published by the BVA in January this year was 27 with the highest at 106.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cach...s British Veterinary&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1

Well all i can say from experience is its the breeder that wants stringing up (the owner should no better with scores like that) The same breeder of this sulin dog was the breeder of my sulin dog whom i bought as a broad bitch, that had score of 106 off the wall had a spine of a ten year old and a heart murmer, whos sire and dam went on the missing list (umm wonder why) and who grandsire is GUESS WHO tote-tims Dreamcatcher sulin (aka tim)

I appreciate that pod. What I was trying to say is that TW doesn't know all the facts. It just seemed to come across as though most people were 'ganging up' on her because she knew of the dog and owner. JMO

I couldn't of said it better ramoth

I feel so badly for you {{{hugs}}} what an awful thing to have happened to anyone with any breed - it's about time that people who think they know how to breed dogs stepped back and did a bit more research, then awful things like this wouldn't happen. In the end - the only good that can come of something like this, is that it serves as a warning to the rest of us

tragic heart goes out to you tracey

xx

I appreciate that the Ute society is doing its best to erradicate their health problems now, and good luck to them, tracey is now the happy owner of not one but three N.I bred by JK, and one of which got BIS at our Oldham show this year and Dog of the Year 2006.

Thanks Zoundz, that hug was nice :0)

And Sutty is right i have now gone to the main breed and have 3 beautiful Northern Inuits whom i adore, and have done very well with in the show ring, and i no that if i had any health problems what so ever my breeder JK would be there for me 100% sorting it out Unlike the sulin breeder who just keep churning them out.

The ute society are doing there best to stamp this out i know but when you have someone as cunning as LB breeding there type of dog, its going to take a long time to get her to toe the line and be honest about her dogs.

I'm so pleased that you've got 3 beautiful healthy dogs Tracey.

Unfortunatly there are breeders like the Sulin breeder all over the place Whether thier dogs are registered, health tested or not, doesn't seem to matter to them. Money is a bigger draw to them

I feel for the dogs, and prospective owners of the pups. As hard as the society are trying to stamp out genetical faults, you'll always get someone trying to breed them back in

I hear you loud and clear

By the same respect you also cannot judge the entire breed and its founders on the foolish mistakes of the few, yes there may have been mistakes in the past and no doubt there will be in the future and not just with this breed, but the fact that the society are doing so much to eradicate these mistakes is a testament to their devotion to the breed.

Why in this day and age with all the test available do we still have soooo many unscrupilous (?) breeders who do not give a damn what damage they are doing!

With the Utes what is done is done and no amount of howling at the moon will change that, we should be glad that things are changeing for the better ( bloody hell my spelling is dire!!)

Ramoth

Sorry about your poor dog Tracie - what an awful thing to have happened. :-( I know when my boy started getting seizures I tried to find out if it could be hereditary but didn't get much info from his breeder (not Lb btw).

Glad you've got some lovely healthy dogs now.

Ramoth, could you say what the club is doing to control health problems. Is the Code of Ethics online anywhere?