Does anyone know what a sparpit is? Questions

hi all,
I keep getting stopped with my Irish Staff and asked if it's a sparpit or an Irish? what is a sparpit is this a breed or a specific line of staffs? does anyone have a picture of a sparpit? heres a pic of saffie! does she look anything like a sparpit?

Hi,
Sparpit is an affix belonging to a Mr and Mrs sparks,who own or did own Staffords.
Don't know if they still do though.

thanks nissanmad! did these staffs have any of the qualitys that an Irish has? e.g. were they taller or leaner than a normal KC staff?

Hi,
To be honest i couldn't tell you but i'll try and find out,I have a good friend in staffords that knows the sparks so i'll ask him.
I think they were just good staffords.

Don`t know what a Sparpit is, but you`ve got a lovely dog.

Can someone tell me what an ISBT actually is, or was or is derived from. Stafford Bull Terriers are an ancient breed and look nothing like the dogs that are called ISBT although I could believe the Staffies had been used it the crosses that went to produce the ISBT. Can find no standard for this ‘breed’ or type of staffy in any of the information put out by the UKKC the Irish KC or the FCI

Hi,
I'll try to explain as well as i can,the irish stafford actually came about from the stafford,so i've been told,they bred legger leaner looking dogs and kept those to breed from and kept repeating it.There is no breed standard for the breed as they are not reconized by the KC.
The staffordshire Bull Terrier is not an anicent breed,it wasn't reconized by the Kc until 1935,the first registration for the breed was actually in 1931 and it was a bitch called Silent Nell,but they actually go from 1935.Before the breed got it's name as the Staffordshire Bull Terrier they wanted it called The Original Bull Terrier but because the English Bull terrier was already reconized by the KC they complained about it and they had a meeting and renamed it The Staffordshire Bull terrier,as it originated from staffordshire and the black country.

Sky high bluest,
The sparpit kennels had good typical staffords that are and still shown today,they tended to be 17-18 inches in height but did well in the showring.They were not lean though like the irish staffords.

Looking at the picture of that dog and reading the Irish Bull Terrier bit brought back a long ago memory. My grandparents had a dog - Brownie- way back when I was very small in the late '30s. My Mother always told me he was an Irish Bull Terrier, and apart from being brown the one photo I remember of him he looked very like this picture.
He was a smashing dog, just as long as another dog did'nt growl at him - that was an excuse for one battle royal - he even swam the local canal to get at a dog that had dared to bark at him from the other side. He was marvellous with people and other animals - even dogs as long as they knew he was boss!! Logoes

True I meant comparatively ancient, being a breed developed by using the bulldog and a terrier although I don’t know which terrier they were about for many years before being recognised by the KC as were the Parsons. The ISBT only seems to have been talked about in the last 10 years or so, although I had seen many a Staffy with rather long legs it was just that a Staffy with long legs. What was used to produce the ISBT so that it always has long legs and the somewhat leaner body and different conformation. Have asked this before but why Irish Staffordshire, seems strange why not an Irish Bull Terrier?

I suppose there is the possibility it was an Irish Terrier - 'brindle bull terrier' cross. Again I am having to search my memory but I think the present day Staffie was derived from the 'Brindle Bull' as it was known. But as I said in my other post I only have a very old (!!!) memory to go by. Kath

Kath,
I think you are right

azz if u like remove these as i dont know if im allowed to post them here

As said and shown the Sparpit name is an affix for a kennel that bred K.C. Staffords.
Irish Staffords are 100% as much Staffords as K.C. Staffordss are. They were bred for working and not looks. They were from K.C. stock sent to Ireland and use'd for badger trails,foxing and other type's of sport. So looks had no part in any breeding,which is the oppisate to the K.C. show Staff. If you take a look at a lot of K.C. reg sporting/working type Staffords and compare them to show bred Staffs you will see a big difference also. The only reason a lot of people only heard of "Irish Staffs" in the last few years is because of the internet. These Staffords were working Staffords and were kept in working circle's. But with the intervention of the internet and it's popularity the Irish strains started to become known. Like with the K.C. Staffs people with cross breeds or other breeds pretend theres are K.C. Staffs,this also happens to Irish Staffords.

Irish Staffordshire History according to dogbreedinfo.com, with some nice looking dogs.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/irishstaffordshirebullterrier.htm

they look like pitbulls to me!
My mate has an irish staffie, and i know that there are english bull terrier and Ed Reids pitbulls in her bloodlines, so as for "Irish Staffords are 100% as much Staffords as K.C. Staffordss are.", that's quite a bold statement to make, when people who work/ fight them will cross them with any good working/ fighting dog, whatever their breed. Ch Psycho and Ch Stormer both have english bull terrier in their lines, and are considered practically "legends" in the irish staff world. There are Staffordshire Bull terriers bred in ireland to a larger fancy than the u.k. fancy, but they are still staffs, not these crossbred so called "irish" staffs which are worked and fought.

Please read this

Trade in 'Irish' pit bulls flouts dog law

"qoute"
Beverley Cuddy, the editor of Dogs Today.
"There is no recognised Irish Staffordshire bull terrier breed," she said. "It is complete fiction."

http://igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/2002/pit_bull_trade_england.html


Thanks
Ragga_dood

that is why i dont by that stupid junk dogs today most anti bull breed magazine going
BY calling them pitbulls she has a lot to answer for as many dogs could get pts for that

ragga? what r u doin' my irish staff is no more a pitt than any english staff! if you look at the english KC staff pictured above " the spar pit" line you will see that they too seem to be taller and leaner than most kc staffs! does this make them pitts?? nnnnooo it does not! just as the dogs taken to ireland in the 1930's, yes for fighting at first, they are bread for type! not to show standerd!! fit happy dogs teated with respect and loved will be just that, good happy dogs, not matter what the breed! so if you want to see a lot of happy friendly dogs pts then carry on spoutting this rubbish that doigs today like to print! I'm sure they'll love you for it!! sorry but it really gets my back up!

Hello nissanmad, i am not starting an arguement incase you take it the wrong way, i might be wrong but i will look into it tomorrow, but i thought i read that the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was a very old breed i am sure there documents and photos from early 1800s and maybe earlier- forget the Kc, long before them. The APBT terriers main stock was the Gamest SBT so i read they then added i am not sure what exact breeds but a number of bigger dog breeds and dog breeds of extreme aggression and athletism- which then resulted in a stronger bigger and overall more agressive dog we know of as the American Pitbull Terrier,

ragga_dood Good breed of dog u own, firstly don't believe that s*** in the papers they know 0 and are just trying to sell papers! my mates Dad is pretty much an expert of the Bull breeds, i asked him the same thing as to the likeness of the ISBT to the APBT and he told me yes they are overall more athletic than the SBT their on the whole larger and longer in the leg, he said the APBT has some ISBT in their blood but are still very much a taller Staffordshire Bull Terrier, yes Sadly some Irish did and probably still fight them same as over here, funny enough i probably done his head in over the questions i asked him, He doesn't like Dog fighting but knows a bit about it, his opinion is the APBT is for its size and overall the most effective fighting breed- but then again its not just the breed its their make up and a big powerfull dog should dominate a smaller dog, ie most fighting breeds are equal

There is a very good reason for the isbt looking like a pitbull, It's the closest to the original of the staffordshire bull terrier which was taken over to America sometime in the 1800's and they liked the breed so much that they bred their own dogs from it and called them the "pitbull"! The american staffy or "Amstaff" is just a show version of this dog so that is why they are so similar!!
So, all you K.C brown nosers, the dogs that you call a "true breed" staffordshire bull terrier is just a K.C mutation caused by generations of inbreeding! SBT has been bred and was recognised as a fighting dog since the mid 1800's. The kennel club should be shot they think that it's a cool normal thing to inbreed their dogs to make them so short they can't walk and so flabby they can't breath!! This is cruelty if ever I saw it and the ISBT is a far more ressiliant dog!! I hope I am not the only person who has had problems with K.C staffy owners accusing them of thier isbt being a pitbull!!! your all sad, GET A BRAIN AND PROPERLY RESEARCH THE BREED!!!!!
From a very annoyed ISBT owner

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