Back to the harness problem again. General Chat

@6JRT's - Tina I ordered one of those spectacle shaped one and no, Tikva could not get out of it.
But the D-ring opened five minutes after I put it on her. It was not particularly cheap and did come with a leash, which I did not need, but five minutes?

So the problem is that either she walks out of a supposedly secure harness, or the ******g D ring slips through the ******g thing.

The only harness that she can not get out of, apart from this useless spectacle shape one and that broke, she could not get out of it, is one of those bling ones that buckle round her neck and round her chest. But how long will the D-ring last before it opens?

I am just grateful that even though Tikva ends up loose from her tether, she does not go run run and keeps coming in and I do not know that she is loose until she does come in.

I have in the past replace some of my D-rings of my Rottweiler's /GSD's/Doberman's harnesses with jailers rings & rock climbers clips due to them being stronger then the D-rings on their harnesses.
I remove the D-ring & then tread the jailers ring or climbing clip where D-ring was


I have found this harness on line it don't have a D-ring

How is the D ring opening??
The ones on all of our harnesses are welded

None are welded and the strip or whatever where it is held on to the harness just slips through the gap on the D-ring when Tikva pulls. And do not forget she is only a little thing.

I wonder if one of those chaps, who do little jobs for you, could solder the D rings for you? OK, it's ot as strong as welding, but is much easier and quicker to do, and would stop the fabric from sliding out of the space.

I had already asked Nir but he said that as the D-ring would have to be on the harness, hooked through the strap, he is not prepared to use heat for soldering so close to nylon.

Also he has a minimum call out charge - not much, true, but he says to come out to risk a harness catching fire [OK it would obviously not be on Tikva at the time] is a waste of his time and a waste of my money.

The problem with the good step-in ones Tina originally mentioned - I forget when - that do up with a velcro back fastening and have two D-rings so both sides are clipped onto her harness, is that they are not adjustable across the front. Most harnesses Tikva's size are not. And Tikki gets her front legs through them and walks out of them. She does not even try.

I have bought them in three different sizes, all measuring exactly their description and her chest and neck measurements, both in inches and centimetres and she has walked out of all sizes. All are too loose across her front.

I am hoping that the ones on order, like the last ones on Tina's message #2 on this thread, will actually be able to be adjusted to fit without being too hot on her.

This is what I have on order - seems rather OTT for such a little Tikki but it it is multi-adjustable and the clip on buckle much better than the normal D-ring. [I ordered purple, just because].



I have also ordered one of these but am not sure that she will not be able to walk out of it although it does say it is adjustable.



Sorry about the sizes of the pictures but I can only copy/paste from the original.

She does not deliberately try to get out of harnesses - either the D-ring pulls open - she might be small but she is exceedingly strong - or the step-in ones that velcro across her back and have decent D-rings which each side on her back, they are just too loose across her front.

She is not narrow across her front, and does not have short legs that could just slip out - she does not deliberately try to walk out of them, but whatever size I have tried, nothing so far has been secure but gentle on her. Hopefully one of these will be OK even though they look like she will be in a strait-jacket wearing either one of them.

Until then she will have to embarrass me by wearing an ultra bling harness.

Both are suitable for Tikva the second one my lodger as for his pup "Ugly thing" (true Heinz 57 dog, Basset Hound long body stumpy legs Crocker Spaniel ears & Whipet tail)

That is the thing. Tikva does have a slightly long body but her legs are normal length, not stumpy. But she is still little. Just so very strong for her size.

Probably these are copies of expensive harnesses but there is a big difference between around $5, postage-free, and $30 plus, plus another ~$30 postage. And until I see them I have no idea if they will be suitable. At least if I buy these, either through eBay or AliExpress, I get my money back without having to spend another $30 plus for a taxi to come from town, go to the Post Office and take the darn things back.

Oh well, it is bling but [so far] secure for the moment.

The first harness - shown in blue in my message #8 - has arrived. It weighs a ton, is impossible to adjust, and no way could I get it on Tikva.

Oh well, another one for the surgery to give to a new client as I am not going to waste my time arguing with the seller.

She is just a little dog - not a strange shape one - so why can I not find a harness that fits, does not break, and she is comfortable wearing? Well yes, the bling one fits and is fine, but bling? And I am still waiting for the D-ring on it to give way but where it is fitted there is no room to put a secure ring through.

Rogz and Red Dingo stuff are good quality and plenty adjustable

What's wrong with bling? She is a cute little girl and so bling will suit her down to the ground

Erin, the major problem is that I have to buy online and far too many places will not supply to Israel. Those that do charge an excessive amount for postage. Also, if what I buy is not suitable it would cost me far too much to return as there is no post office on the Moshav so it would involve getting a taxi from town to the PO there, then back again.

Like Little One and Pereg did, Tikva wears her harness all the time, as my hands cannot keep undoing and doing up again and those horrid plastic clips are more than I can cope with because my hands are so useless. I also do not trust them and prefer buckles, which the bling one has. And like LO and Pereg, she is on her tether all day - I just have to clip it on in the morning and off when it is her bedtime, as the door is open all the time. 12 metres gives her 24 metres when she can rush around outside then rush around inside as and when she wants, and she is a rock solid little girl as she gets so much exercise.

So strong for such a small girl.

She is not really cute but bling, and it is 100% bling, does show that she is not dangerous even though she rushes around, and is noisy at times.

But already the D-ring keeps swiveling and I am worried as to how secure it is actually attached, even though it seems to be well closed. But even if I opened it and removed it, there is nowhere I could fit even the lightest weight of anything stronger, because if the D-ring is not properly secured, nothing would be.

Found these on line Malka not sure if they post to Israel
Your Loving Pets.
All come in XS-S-M-L



Was looking for escape proof double D-Ring harness for "Ugly Thing" my lodgers dog & came across this on line shop - have bought 2 of the vest type one's from first photo & 2 of the vest type one's from 2nd photo & 1 vest type from 4th photo

Forgot to say you can either open account with the on line shop or buy through Amazon [I bought them all through Amazon] as worked out bit cheaper for me.

Brother as just bought this one for Kula

Tina - I really am grateful for you taking all this trouble to find a secure harness for Tikva. http://www.yourlovingpets.com/ sell e-collars and there is no way I will buy anything from a company that sells those atrocities, and unfortunately none of the Amazon marketplace traders who sell pet products will supply Israel.

I still have another couple of harnesses "in the post" somewhere so hopefully one of those will be OK - if not I will just have to get another couple of the bling ones, as so far the one she is wearing seems OK.

-Hold the front page! I had apparently ordered a couple of the bling style although not really blingy - just a bling "bone" on the top and some little blings dotted around, and they just turned up. They buckle across her neck and buckle round her chest. Nothing to rub anywhere and nothing that goes under her axilla or from her throat to her chest. And the D-rings look quite well stitched on [famous last words - I hope]. Not leather, but neither was the ultra bling one, but appear to be strong but soft sort of imitation leather?

Now this is ridiculous. Every time I order a harness I check the measurements in both centimetres and inches Having measured and checked, when these [one cerise and one black] arrived they were marked as L for Large. But they only do up on the loosest buckle as no way are they large. But hey ho, they fit, I got bit, and Thing is now outside.

Actually she does not bite as in bite to hurt, which she could do if she wanted. She uses her teeth on my hands like some dogs would lick - it is just her way, but trying to take the other harness off and putting a new one one, Tikva was rolling all over the couch while I was trying to keep her still so I could do buckles up, and I swear she was laughing at me!

Question. What am I going to do with all these leashes, only every harness comes with a matching leash [some even come with collars as well] - and these two came with doggy toothbrushes?

I have just been checking back on the description of these new harnesses, which they say are for Chihuahuas [???] and they are described as being made of "velvet leather" whatever that is, but they are soft and and not rigid. Checked measurements again - they are quite good about giving not only the measurements but also the weight of the dog they are supposed to fit, and the ones that arrived are definitely L for Large and are fine [as long as she stays skinny]. I do not like anything tight on Tikki but I can get my hand under both the neck strap and the chest strap so they should be OK, and they do do an XL so just in case...

There is no way she can get out of these harnesses and having checked all stitching and the D-rings, they seem strong enough for even Tikki, but then who knows? Only time will tell. Oh, and they cost $10.20 for the set of harness and leash, which is more than I had paid for others [no mention of the double ended toothbrushes which came with each] - and postage free.

And Tikva does look rather nice wearing a cerise harness!

Think velvet leather is suede or something similar