Crufts Live 2016 Crufts

Never mind Jacqui there’s always next year, fingers crossed.

It was hard to find a seat round the Beagle ring. In spite of an 8am start, 252 hounds and a single judge meant that I had to leave before Open Bitch & the CC's. I wonder how many other breeds got 23 entries in Veteran bitch? (12 Veteran males).
I was thrilled to be told that a photo of Eddie had been spotted on the Discover Dogs stand. I just had to go and check - it quite made my day.

Are the KC banning all GSD from Crufts next year or just those with the sloping back ?
There's a article on Facebook about the GSD that was put through as Best in Breed [Pastoral group] that could not walk & the KC are now banning them, but it doesn't state if that's all GSD's or just the ones with sloping backs.

I heard Caroline Kisco mention preventing judges that awarded CC's to unsound dogs having their qualification removed. I'm sure they wouldn't want to penalise the whole breed.
What I don't understand is how the vet check didn't pick up on such disunited movement. I don't know anyone who watched the breed being judged, so I'm asking -was the dog actually unsound in her class, or could she have been drugged later?
No doubt this is going to turn out to be this year's, 'nasty show people', story. Just what we don't need!

I did not see that but read this and watched the video.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html



It did not appear right to me, although I admit to not knowing much about GSDs.

But - there is a Police dog handler and trainer on this Moshav, who is currently training a gorgeous GSD and who frequently walks past with that one on a leash and two unleashed following. They are square [no sloping back] - whether that is "right or wrong" but to me they are the most beautiful GSDs I have ever seen, and they totally ignore the little devil Tikki when she rushes out barking at them.

I wonder what he would think if he saw this one.

[I wish I could hire him to train Tikki]

Someone has decided to start a petition for crufts to ban the showing & breeding of GSD with excessively sloping back.

Have to say I was disappointed with our Best of Breed winner and gives no credit to the Judge, or the best interests of the breed, but cant believe the controversy caused, anyone would think she had 2 heads, some of the comments made are just plain ridiculous and cruel.She is what she is and nobody can change that and so I think that it is unfair pick the dog to pieces.

It was obvious from the start when waiting her turn that she was agitated and stressed out and not going to settle, to me the handler should have asked permission to remove her or Frank Kane should have advised him without making a fuss, that he did not intend to subject the poor girl through any more stress.

But I would like to point out that there is next to no confirmed evidence that the modern topline is directly related to ANY health problems, theories and opinions abound, but because there IS NO LINK with Hip Displasia, in particular’ the Kennel Club has been unable to prevent the 'exaggerated sloping topline' and The Hinge becoming more prevalent in the breed.

Good Article on the ‘True Back of the German Shepherd’ http://www.louisdonald.com/the-true-back-of-the-german-shepherd-dog.html

This is the BOB clip where she does look more settled, but the male is very interested in her so I wonder if she was either in season or coming in .

Although exaggerated, she does look better in that clip, and I agree, the Dog CC is definitely interested in her. It will be interesting to hear what the show vet check has to say, but the whole episode must have now become so embarrassing for all her connections. I would think that, given hindsight, her handler would have realised that he was in a no win situation, and withdrawn.
The noise, spotlights and big green carpet can be overwhelming, Ring nerves? I think my knees would give way! Was this her first ticket, Vee?

Her winnings include Best Puppy Bitch & Best Puppy in Show 2013

V1 & SG1 gradings under SV judges

2 Reserve CC's

1 CC

Vice Adult Siegerin 2015

3 Best of Breeds !

Gary one of The Rescue Home Trainer's that was at Crufts & watching the GSD's, being judged said that during her class group the other female GSD's were taking keen interest in her, so does sound like she could of been either in season or coming into season.

I much prefer the male GSD to the female one, he looked better & moved lot easier then the female one.

The owner of a German Shepherd bitch at the centre of a Crufts cruelty row has hit back at critics who claimed her dog was unhealthy and said she had been through the worst experience of her show career.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-German-Shepherd-sloped-wins-best-breed.html

I am so sad that the social and news media have to have this feeding frenzy every year. Basically, Crufts is just one of many Championship shows, and the KC ing th

Sorry, ran out of editing time, meant to say that,

I am so sorry that the news and social media have to have this Crufts feeding frenzy every year. At its basis, Crufts is just another Championship show, similar to all the others, and only enthusiasts pay any attention to who wins or loses at those. People are being really affected by all this attention, and are paying the price of the KC having built Crufts into an international event.

I agree trouble is it brings out all the ‘sheep’ keyboard warriors’ As for Caroline KiskoI’s remarks’ I wonder if the powers that be would have reacted, publicly or otherwise, had there not been public outrage.(I don’t think so) especially as she was passed by their appointed vet, who certified that there was absolutely no possible reason that he could not pass Tori as she showed no signs of bad health and her movement was not impaired in any way. This test included movement of the dog. )

Yes the bitch had faults, but how anyone could evaluate her movement in the state she was in ‘in the big ring is beyond me.

GSD League of Great Britain statement http://www.gsdleague-workingbranch.com/gsd-best-of-breed-at-crufts-2016/

No they are not banning all GSD or those with sloping backs, this is where things are taken out of context and rumours start .

What Caroline kisco actually said was .....the ultermate sanction could be taking away CC's or banning the GSD, nowhere did they say this is going to happen.

I'm not a professional, but I mean the dog actually moved okay. I've seen far worse from actual straight backed Shepherds. Yes it looks odd (her back), and yes she stands oddly, but I wouldn't have a fit over it. My opinions of dog showing aren't high anyway, but why the sudden uproar?

Why not yell about Dachschunds, Pekingese, Shar Pei, Pugs, American Bulldogs, and other breeds that have genetically modified faults that may make them unhealthy? Oh yeah, because the dogs have looked like this for ages and unlike the German Shepherd, its now socially acceptable for the dogs to be this way.

The German Shepherd here is the same to me. She passed the vet check, she seems physically okay, and people are hollering for no good reason. This is why my opinions of dog showing arent high to begin with. Holler about ALL the genetically modified breeds, dont just pick one thst semi RECENTLY began to look differently. Just my opinion.

There is so much misinformation spewed about the breed these days, mainly posted by people who weigh in on everything with their feelings as opposed to actual knowledge.

There will always be those who oppose the modern day showline Gsd that is there prerogative but don’t condemn them because they are not to their liking, yes some breeders breed to extremes but that happens in lots of breeds.

Those that are quick to judge should take time to look back at the problems suffered by the strait back ‘Alsatians’

As for with-holding CC we’ve been there before starting way back in 2009 after the ‘Pedigree Dogs Exposed" program (quote) The KC is refusing to allocate CCs to German Shepherds for 2012 because it has concerns about the breed’s conformation – it has cited touching hocks, length of the second thigh and exaggerated toplines) The Kennel Club is taking firm action to address the problems which it perceives in the GSD breed generally.

As for The Kennel Club’s stance heard it all before when the same situation arose 2010.
As they are so concerned about the breed,Just what exactly has the KC done in the last few years to improve the GSD?


Judges must be ‘sorted out’, says KC) The judge was specifically selected by the Kennel Club for his qualifications and qualities, knowing that he breeds this type so naturally he is going to put them up.


The KC hypocrisy is beyond belief.

This is not expert opinion, but I seem to recall that the drive to introduce the Germanic type in the '60's and 70's was specifically to correct the chronic back and hip problems which plagued the Alsatian, (GSD), as it was called in those days. Since those days, the two sides never seem to have been able to reach an agreement on type, and the show entries have dwindled as they have become polarised, depending on the type allegiance of the judge.
From an outside viewpoint, the breed seems to permanently be in danger of fracturing along the lines of type, coat length, and even colour. There has been talk of at least one breed club breaking away from the KC for almost as long as I can remember, and it is hard to see how they (KC) can possibly keep all the factions happy under a single breed standard.
Will all this publicity provoke a positive response from the breed clubs and the KC? Judging by past history, the fuss will die down in a couple of weeks, and everyone will muddle along much as they have done before.

The GSD Facebook pages (10 of which I am member of) are saying that the KC are or have removed the BEST IN BREED title from the GSD bitch that won & have or giving it to the male GSD.


They are quoted as saying "Due to a high number of complaints regarding Cruaghaire Catoria winning Best in Breed, we are considering removing the Best in Breed title & are advising Susan Cuthbert her owner not to breed from her, we have told Susan Cuthbert that we will not register any puppies if she does breed from her.

Can the KC do this ?

Susan Cuthbert & her dogs have been removed from the Show Dogs Facebook page, a article went up this afternoon saying that the admin team at Show Dogs are saddened by the amount of threatening messages to Susan Cuthbert & the violent way in which Susan Cuthbert as replied to the messages, as a result we have decided to remove Susan Cuthbert from our membership & are removing all photos of Susan Cuthbert dogs.

I don't in any way condone breeding such extreme GSD's IMO, however, I feel very sorry for the owner/handler of this particular dog, and the dog herself of course. All this uproar and venom directed at them, but this is nothing new and I find it rather sad that this one dog/owner are being singled out. Where were all these outraged people last year? Where were these people in attendance at other shows throughout the year monitoring and comparing breed type and getting themselves in a state about their conformation? I'm afraid for many it's a case of jumping on the bandwagon. The dog didn't move well at all, I agree, but that doesn't mean she is inherently unhealthy. She has a hip score below the breed average for starters, and yet in other news the Gordon Setter who won his group had a score at least double the breed average. Also, why are these same people so appalled at the GSD, but completely ignoring the fact the Peke can barely make one lap around the ring that any healthy dog should be able to do with ease without excessively panting? IMO I found it very sad to witness his struggle, and don't think awarding a dog that refuses to walk at one point is in the spirit of promoting healthy breeds either. Is it because his 'deformity' is less obvious that people choose to ignore it?

Yes but the majority of the people commenting haven’t a clue about that side of it, haven’t owned or worked a gsd and certainly never attended the speciality shows.

A Campaign was launched in 2013 to split the breed and make the Alsatian a separate breed, as both sides argue that their type is correct under the Kennel Club standard but this is an obvious impossibility.

I think it’s a forgone conclusion that there will always be a vendetta against the Germanic type Gsd at Crufts, we had a right ding dong over Clokelly’s Lagos in 2010, https://www.ourdogs.co.uk/News/2010/Mar2010/News260310/gsd.htm There was also Elmo, Zamp ect : the list goes on
Most Germanic breeders/owners don't attend Crufts/KC organised shows hence the low entries, should think there will be even fewer next year.(if any)

Most attend the Wusv/Gsdl British regional group events .
This is their rules and regulations http://www.gsdl-brg.co.uk/the-brg-show-rules/4573957264

Much more stringent than the KC requires