Do they ?? what happens when said pup is then re homed, I have a few friends who have had to hand rear a pup, they have not noticed any special bond, from the pup to the human, the other way round might be the case, but don't forget many hand reared pups then go onto new homes, it would be difficult for them to adjust if what you say is true.
Jackie, I saw this puppy on Tuesday 2June [see the date on the photographs] and brought her home yesterday because the dam was ignoring her puppies. And unless I am crazy, yesterday was Friday 5 June which was when I brought her home. And I brought her home because the dam had decided she did not want anything to do with her puppies. So I do not know what you are talking about.
I have seen many hand reared puppies bonding with their new owners when they are 4 weeks old, some bitches will not nurse their puppies once they are eating solid food, my own bitch Skye did the same when the pups were 5 weeeks old, she would go out leaving them on their own all day, I ended up giving them supplement milk along with the solid food, the bond I have with my 4 hooligans is special, plus they are more obedient then dare I say it K9, they have formed a special bond with me, its hard to explain but anyone that as hand reared a puppy & kept it will know the special bond.
You said on Tuesday you would bring the pup home as soon as the owners could not cope, then on Friday you say you are bringing pup home because its lagging behind, and in danger of dying, what I was getting at is regardless of time scale, you had decided to bring a pup home before it was ready to leave its dam. A dam leaving the whelping box for periods of time is not " not wanting anything to do with her pups. 3 1/2 week old pups , need to be with their litter mates and their dam, they will be starting to be weaned , but they will still take off their mum when she is there, not forgetting the social skills they need to learn. You did not remove this pup because it was in danger of losing its life, you took it because you did not want to wait.
You are not telling me anything I don`t know, but you are missing a crucial point, puppies need to learn from their dam and siblings, they do that in a litter, most bitches will remove themselves from their litter at intervals throughout the day, for a bit of peace and quiet away from biting sharp teeth, but they will go back to their litter when they need to. Its a natural progression, bitches stop cleaning up after pups when they are on solid foods, they restrict milk, and start to distance themselves, but NOT when the pups are only 3 weeks old. The special bond you talk about will be more on your part than theirs, if you had to re home any of the pups they would soon settle and have a special bond with whoever they went to. To be honest, I am surprised anyone would pat someone on the back and say "oh you did the right thing" in these circumstances, its beyond me to see how anyone could think, taking such a young pup from a litter (for no reason) is the right thing to do!!
@Jackie - either you do not understand my English or you do not want to. Please do not question me again as to why Tikva is now sleeping quietly in her bed. I will not be posting on Breedia again.
Malka has made the decision to bring the pup home, and although it is obviously far from ideal (and everyone has had their say on the matter) we just have to accept the fact that it has happened now and realise that continuing discussion on the matter is only going to end in animosity. So perhaps it's best to drop the topic - and in the best interest of everyone involved - maybe focus on more positive elements. Thanks guys.
I'll second that! I've missed you whilst you've been away and was SO glad to see you back! You can't go now you've got your little Tikva ... we want photos!
I've tried hard to stay out of this, but have been lurking and reading. I will do what Azz said. Now that the puppy is home, how about we all just hope she grows up to be a happy and healthy dog? Is that too hard? I don't think it is. By supporting Malka at this point, it'll help make that a reality. I don't see the point in admonishing her, what's done is done. The reasons are no longer important.
Pup is in her new home. Malka, you have to post photo's of the little darling as she grows because many of us would love to watch her development xx
I have absoutley no idea on the background behind acquiring this new pup but m deeply sorry you lost Pereg, Malka. I know how much she meant to you. However, I wholeheartedly agree with Jackie. I think bringing this little pup home so early is a terrible decision and would expect a knowledgeable dog person to know it's totally wrong. If the mother was dead, or otherwise abandoning the litter then yes, I can understand the need to intervene, but that doesn't appear to be the case here. How are you going to continue her socialization? Being removed from her mum and siblings so early could open up a whole list of potential behaviour issues as she matures, including a difficulty in learning appropriate bite inhibition that seems to be an extended issue among pups removed from their litter to early. Another forum member elsewhere purchased, or if you want to pull at the heart strings 'rescued' a 6 week old Shih Tzu that they have continual problems with regarding his biting and he wasn't as young as your pup! I also don't understand the mind set of you being worried about the welfare of this pup, but in the next breath with seemingly little concern about the other pups go on to say they'll likely be dumped. Why haven't you convinced the breeder in handing all the pups over to your vet whom you seem to trust? I'd have thought that would be easy considering the breeder wants rid of the pups ASAP. I know it's not what you want to hear Malls, but I think this is a selfish decision. And I do hope for the very best for this pup and yourself, but I don't think we should shy away from voicing our opinions. What if someone was lurking, and all they saw were congratulatory posts and then go on to believe there is nothing wrong in acquiring a pup so young? The opinions voiced by some might not be popular but it needs to be said.
I know I said I would not post again, but there are a few things that have to be said. 1 - the "breeder" is the Russian "girlfriend" of the owner of the house, who brought momma dog home but has not been seen since. 2 - It is highly unlikely that either the dam or the pups have been seen by a vet. 3 - Do you honestly think that my Vet, who does not have a vet hospital could take eight unwanted puppies? And you expect me to pay for them where there is nowhere for them to go? 4 - I would have been only too happy to have waited another two weeks, but the momma dog had a different idea, and deserted them. 5 - I have rescued one. Is that not enough for you? 6 - I am having to bottle fed her with puppy milk supplement every 2-3 hours. 7 - I am 73 years old - you think I can so easily give up sleep to rescue a puppy who would otherwise would have died? Selfish? Saving the life of a puppy is selfish?
I will abide by your request Azz, but this is a serious topic and for anyone who comes along to view , then it's important to make it known removing such young puppies from a litter is wrong, I am sure you would hate for anyone to get the impression (from this site) that taking 3-1/2 week old pups from a litter is to be commended . By ignoring the "pats on the back" and congratulating such an act is in danger of giving the wrong impression of what this site is about. puppies should be with their mother for 8 weeks ideally , 6/7 if pushed, the only time you should remove such young pups from a litter is in situations were the dam is no longer able to care for her litter, which was not the case here. This message is an important one, and maybe this thread may give you though ( if it's not already adressed) to add as a sticky somewhere in the breeding section.
Having just hand reared 3 staffie cross puppies from 4 days old I can see the argument from both sides. In rearing these pups we had the help and support from BDH and bugger me it's been such hard work. They've all just gone to their new homes and they didn't just survive they thrived. Getting up throughout the night to feed them and lately trying to contain them as been a trial to say the least. Yes it's great it worked out well but I have to wonder being staffies will they even see their first birthday. They have been socialised with my Pugs, Tucson has been their carer, for some reason Diesel hated them and had to be kept away from them all the time. They are only 7 weeks, they had siblings and they had Tucson to keep them in line. You do the best you can and hope for a good outcome, can I see why Malka took the pup so early? Yes I can. It's obviously not ideal but to suggest she should have educated a byb who doesn't speak the same language is madness. She lives in a culture where people do not care about their dogs. Have you ever tried educating a byb in this country? We have a common language but you'd still be wasting your breath. She's saved 1, it's unrealistic to expect more tbf and as for berating her about her age and her health, that's low. No one knows how long they have to live, I nearly died twice in 2011 and 2013 I had 7 dogs at the time, silly me I should have known the Nhs would misdiagnose me and try to kill me not once but twice when I was in my 50's. Just let it be, it's happened.
Those of you who have given Malka such a hard time need to keep rereading Trouble's post until you gain some understanding! I have been forced to hand rear so many pups I've lost count. Getting through the first year can be hard medically but emotionally you usually have a very normal dog. I have seen some years later and never got a bad report from the owner. Only thanks for saving their dog. Maybe you forget that Malka is not new to the dog world. Things changed and she did what had to be done to save one puppy. It is not her responsibility to care for all the forgotten dogs in the country she is in which is not a dog friendly place to be. Do you care for all the dogs where you live? And to comment about her age is a very low blow. I'm almost 66 and disabled. I suppose you'll have something to say about that, too, as I often take in rescues, hand raise when necessary and have seven dogs and six cats of my own. Oh, I'll take care of injured forest animals, too. And I have hand reared a variety of small forest animals and birds when necessary. I have no time or desire to bother with the lot of you.
I'm unable to comment in great detail so as to keep the peace..... But you said the breeder was fed up of the puppies and just wanted rid, so I wouldn't have thought it would have been hard to convince them to hand them over. You said you'd have to buy them all? Does that mean you paid money for your pup? That's all I'll say on the subject, but I do think this is a serious point to raise. From what you've explained it doesn't sound like the mum was unable to look after the pups and looks very attentive in the pics you posted.
I can just imagine the tirade that would have followed if Malka had said she had taken all the puppies to hand rear. Come on, the situation isn't ideal, but what's done is done for whatever reason (and we weren't there so we don't know) and to go on to say that she should have taken them all when you also say she shouldn't have taken one is just plain daft
You do realise if Malka had taken them all she would then have to attempt to home them in a country where dogs are just dumped, She'd end up stuck with all of them and pardon me for stating the obvious she is not the one responsible for breeding them. She's giving 1 a chance of a better life, should she have washed her hands of that 1 too? What difference does it make if she paid for it or not, at the end of the day she has a pup so if she paid to remove it from it's situation is that so bloody terrible? Are you suggesting she should have stolen it, wouldn't give much for her chances an elderly disabled woman against a fit and healthy individual. Whatever, the deed is done, she needs encouragement not a slating.
