Why not a Dutch shepherd Discussions

Have you got a link to their profile there Murf?

Kirsty, from the threads you posted, this dog is a stunner


this is her Now....






this is the mother to that pup

Beautiful! I especially like the mother to the pup

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dutch_shepherd/userinfo.html?userid=128719

if i didnt have csv's defo a dutch would of been the one for me!

Originally Posted by bigdogs
Have you got a link to their profile there Murf?

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dutc...?userid=128719

sorry guys this is not a Link to me

this was my pups then



IF I CAN HELP ANY ONE JUST ASK

Beautiful! I especially like the mother to the pup


the mother is a Daughter to Tommy Luijken KNPV PH1 she came to me from Dick van Leeuwen and Ian Walshaw i got 3 dogs from Ian before he left the dogs .

After seeing Hunter I can see the appeal......... Noble and powerful dog

Thanks for posting the photos and update Jim - some cracking looking dogs

Stunning dogs, another for the list!

A word of caution - like the BSD, all Dutch Shepherds should be eye tested and hip scored before breeding - also ask about Epliepsy as this is fairly prevalent in some lines .

Personally I cannot understand why anyone would want to buy a pup from a bitch who cannot be touched



are not temperament and health paramount ?

just to add that like the BSD, Dutch Shepherds come in three coat types - Smooth ( like Malinois) , longhaired ( like Groenendaels and Tervueren ) and wire haired ( like Laekenois) - and two colours Gold brindle and Silver brindle

here is a pic of the long haired variety

How do you know this bitch cannot be touched?

The collar is an instruction, just as "Keep off the Grass" is.

Often dogs wear collars/coats which indicate to the public that they are in training and should not be touched.

Funnily enough Guide Dogs have the same caveat to the public when they are working!

I know of at least one litter that was bred from a dam so aggressive that the pups were put to a substitute mother. Unfortunately, the push to breed dogs with extreme drive from some involved with the breed is, in itself, extreme (IMHO)

TBF that happens quite regularly in some breeds, Bull Terriers for example are notorious for killing their litters.

It happens in all breeds.

"Drive" does not = aggression.

In this particular case it did. Dam was very aggressive - both dog and human.

...and in the present climate surely it behoves ALL breeders to put good temperament above anything else ....

..Smokey I could understand your point if is this is a bitch owned by the Military or Police ( i.e a proper working bitch ) but if she simply takes part in a 'high drive' hobby then I see no reason why she should not be of sound enough temperament to be 'petted' by a member of the public - and surely this is even MORE important if she is being bred from ...

..Don't you agree that breeding for exaggeration of temperament is JUST as bad as breeding for exaggeration of physical 'type' ...?

Personally I cannot understand why anyone would want to buy a pup from a bitch who cannot be touched .

I personally dont want any one to touch her when she is working drugs as it puts Her off .

jim

bang on the money smokeybear on what you say.

The collar is an instruction, just as "Keep off the Grass" is.

Often dogs wear collars/coats which indicate to the public that they are in training and should not be touched.

Assuming, of course, they know

bijou what do you do with ur dog/dogs ? work or show ? my self i work all my dogs some go to Police and Military what about ur self ? tell me what you have did for the good of the D/H ?

Dutch Shepherds should be eye tested and hip scored before breeding

so are you saying I dont do this and more ?

this is what puts guys like me coming on a forum to help others you have men/women Like ur self that just jump the gun but thats Life ae

Can I just say it is perfectly possible to have a sound temperament but NOT want your dogs to be petted by a member of the public.

The fact that somebody does not want their dog touched by a member of the public for whatever reason does not equate to it having a suspect temperament.

YOU have inferred from the collar that the instruction "do not pet" means the dog has a poor temperament.

That is your prerogative, it does not make the conclusion to which you have jumped correct!

As I said before, there are plenty of dogs which should not be touched when working/training including all assistance dogs.

There have also been plenty of posters on here REQUESTING a coat etc of some description for their dogs to issue the same instruction.

And you can actually TRAIN a dog to be civil, this has NOTHING to do with temperament, but EVERYTHING to do with training.

My dog has a superb temperament, not only has this been tested in competition numerous times but he has been TEMPERAMENT TESTED EXCELLENT, but I could easily make him "civil" if I wanted to.

For the uninitiated a "civil" dog is one that is not pettable by the GP.

But that would not change his underlying temperament.

Just as training a dog to bite on command has nothing to do with whether or not a dog has a good temperament.

HTH

You have to remember that jumping to conclusions is the only exercise some people get.