GSD takes Group at Westminster Showing

Heres a better video


He's a nice dog, I quite like him. I guess it is personal taste.

OMG that's even worse his hind movement is realy bad, flicking up is not correct, the flicking tail is a very good indication of bad hind movement.

Again only a very small area in which to move in.

If you read the article I gave the link for you will see why the dog is so structurally incorrect

His head has a very weak muzzle & isn't "doggy"enough

LOL - it was an innocent enough question

I have no strong feelings either way about him. He doesn't look as extreme as some I have seen, but I don't think that moving clip does him any favours tbh.

This is a roach back



The back arching so that the apex is higher than the whithers

I thought you just said he wasn't your type ;-) His rear movement just looks all wrong in that video - but I am no expert on movement.

I like him more now I have seen him move than I did when he was stacked, I've seen much worse, he isn't my type...but I do quite like him! (edit: as far as american lines go anyway...much prefer wgsl...and working line!)

No he doesn't look particularly extreme to my untrained eye, but he doesn't appeal to me.

What about how he moves at the start before they start gaiting him?? he is pretty unsteady walking - and if you pause it a few times in his natural walking it really dosent look natural at all! and very like Mooblis' article posted earlier in the thread when he is gaiting his hocks pretty much touch the floor, same as when he was turning from walking

You can see when you pause him walking as well that he is not stacked oddly - that is the natural position for him

Yup, I thought that at first look, then realised how sad that was. We are so used to seeing pretty extream GSD's now so the oddness dosent look odd to us any more
It shouldnt be natural for ANY dog to stand on his hocks, to be unable to stand or walk comftably
The article you put up explains it so well, people have overdone things to exagurate the gait - at the expense of the all round agility of the dog
would be interested to see some videos of that dog jumping

http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/videos/#/Breed Judging/2012/Herding/vid:17888346
The breed judging vid for GSD's is working just now so you can see if he was the best

I'm not a big GSD fan but he looks really exaggerated to me.

Thanks for the explanation. I guess I'd have to see him alongside a dog of more desirable proportions to see the exaggeration clearly. I'm no expert in GSDs.

I did find this video of him - excuse the terrible quality

http://www.youtube.com/v/lXJmw9LRMj8&fs=1&source=uds&autoplay=1

Oops - I see I was beaten to it!!!!

I think it's awful. I watched the group today and cringed at the german shepherd and it's awful rear movement. To me so unnatural. There were much nicer dogs in the group to pick from who weren't so exagerated. Thank god some action is being taken here to improve the breeding over here

horrible back end. poor thing.

i think he looks very nice, not deformed at all, hes overstretched in the stack so it makes me look a bit funny, and i do wish they wouldnt stack them like that but in all, very nice dog.

Not my type of GSD - hate the way it has been stacked.

Yuk, that video made me shudder. What dreadful movement that dog has:-(

Watch the hind legs, it is almost as if it is landing on the bit between the hock and the paw rather than the paws themselves. Not only that, it is all over the place, especially apparent when walking.

Sadly I've seen lots of GSD's with terrible movement - it is so prevalent now. One of the main reasons I came out of the breed years ago was for this reason.

To me you look at a dog on the move as a stacked dog can hide a multitude of sins if you looking simply from a picture. Therefore i watched the group/breed video. Doesn't matter what angle you look at this dog. It's rear end is hideous and the breeders down the line are to blame, they are breeding for fashion and whatever wins in the ring rather than the long term welfare of the dog/breed.

When i first saw the picture he didnt look too bad, a little over stacked but on the whole ok. We have all seen worse.

Then i watched the videos of him move . . . OMG! Now i am no expert on GSDs and how they are meant to move but surely walking on the hocks like that is a bad thing? He looked very weak on his back end to me and no way would i say that was the best example of a GSD.

If you think the GSD is poor watch any of the Herding Group I feel sorry for all the dogs