Has Anyone Got A Marbelton Boxer? Need Help!!!!!!! Behaviour

Is she red and white or brindle?

My guess is red, her sire is red, and the name of the dam, sounds like she is red.

Erm - there are White boxers too...........

Don't let anyone put you off posting here, us Boxer folk stick around

My eldest Boxer is now 6. She can be a little nervous at times as well, depending on the situation. Her half brother (same dam, different father, her father is her half brothers grandfather) is the most laid back dog that ever walked, their breeding is exactly the same. Her half brother is our boy's dad. They were brought up exactly the same, lived with our older Boxer who was also very laid back.

It's like everythIng else, not every puppy in a litter will be the same. The person who spoke out of turn to you isn't worth thinking about, silly person who put doubts in your mind. Your little bitch is just reaching maturity between 3-4.

Have you ever tried Bach FlowerRemedies, you can put their water or directly onto their Tongue, if you feel she is
stressed It was a vet told me to try it some years ago when Katie was frightened to get back into the car after a tidal
wave hit it. It takes time but i found it did help her

Here's a wee link for you re the Bach Flower Remedies
http://www.google.co.uk/m/products/...&ptab=c&ei=97l3TtiAEoHpjge0Hw&ved=0CCgQ8wIwBA

You sound to be doing really well with your dogs - I really wouldn't let a careless remark make you doubt your dog

..... and yes, lots of photos please.....

I would stick around ya cant get any better advice than what jackbox has given!
Mary breeds some fine examples of boxers and ive been around a lot at shows and training..Having said that i had the privlidge of owning one of the sweetest natured boxer ever she wasnt a marbleton!but her breeding was spot on.now i bred her and pup in her litter was just like you have said.she is timid and shows fear aggression her owners have had her to different trainers to no avail.they know what she is like and now live with it..I did suggest that when in the home they used a DAP which helped her.
i wish you all the best with your girl..

I am not sure if this will help but I have been reading up a lot about pack leaders and how important this is. When we get a dog we become their human pack. The humans in the family need to be seen by the dog as higher up or top dog. If you are not strong with your dog this can cause many problems.

Two of the biggest problems are some aggression, if the dog senses any weakness in the pack leader (by weakness I mean too many cuddles, the dog eating before the human, dog being allowed onto furniture ect) this can cause the dog to be a little unsure if the pack leader is strong enough to lead the pack and therefore will show aggression.

Another sign is nervous or sensitive behaviour. If the dog is unsure the pack leader can lead efficiently or protect the pack they can become nervous.

I have only just started to read up on all of this but it all makes perfect sense.

Anyway just an idea I hope it can help.

Cheers Mel

Dont believe everything you read ,ceaser milan's methods are not gospel ...
Google why he is wrong about so many things ...

No I def dont believe it all haha but think some points are right when it comes to behaviours in dogs. But again I am far from an expert lol Vegas is the first dog I have owned and she is only 9 months old

OMG glad I googled that thank you heaps.
My beliefs are not with Caesar Millan at all but I am soglad I read some of that.
I just believe that dogs are like children in the younger years and with positive reinforcement and ignoring bad behaviour and them developing the understanding that adults know best is really important...

Lana please stick around I had a very nervous dog he was a Bernese.

I did find a trainer and although we never cured the fear aggression we learnt to manage it I became a very good reader of his body language. I met both his parents and they were very outgoing and friendly so I was mortified Ollie turned out the way he did as they are also mostly a friendly outgoing breed.

He was socialised with people and dogs too and people coming to the house but he really didn't like it and it stressed him out beyond belief.

We stopped doing things or taking him places that put him in this position and made everything we could as positive for him as we could we use to put him in the kitchen with a stair gate to divide us he could see and hear us but was not pushed beyond his comfort zone. When he was setttled we would give him the chance to meet visitors it was then his decision if he wanted to stay or would prefer to go and be in the kitchen.

If he liked you he loved you and was your friend for life if he didn't like you that was it he would never like you or accept you. He didn't like vets much either. When out we would ask people not to touch him but he would lay nicely at our feet if we stopped to talk to them. We would always let him make make the decision about if he was going to be nice to someone and that was by asking the person to ignore him stand still and let him sniff them it was all done very slow and gradual if he backed away very quickly that was it he wasn't going to be your friend if he hung around sniffing for a while and you could see his body physically relax then you knew he was more likely than not going to be friends with that person and the next time he saw them he would show so much love to them. We could never figure out why he loved some and would not tolerate others.

Like Jackie we soon gave up trying to analyse it and worked with it rather than against it we all ended up much happier this way just accepting who he was and not trying to force onto him who he wasn't or couldn't be.

Because she was line bred to "Hendrawens Quadrille of Eveley" for starters(a known epileptic)the bitch was fear aggressive so I took the puppies from her at 2 1/2 weeks having weaned them early & so they would not be influenced by her terrible temperament, her parents had good temperaments BTW

She wasn't just "insecure"she was excessive nervous & fear aggressive

Not quite sure what the Obedience TT has to do with show bred Boxers. Showing in breed means the dogs being handled far far more than any Obedience TT requires.

The Obedience Temperament test a stand stay whilst someone quietly passes a hand over the dog, aggressive dogs can easily be trained for this. Also it is fairly easy to win out of Novice(& therefore never having to undergo the TT)by winning two A's in which there is no TT(I know of at least 3 dogs that have done that because of them not being able to pass the TT)

As for temperament being genetic, IMHO it is not, I had a GSD whose father was one of the windiest dogs I've ever met(not bred by me & yes the sire was a German import-albeit it a poor one sold because he failed the BH !!)the mother however was 200% sound & ALL yes all her puppies followed her in temperament(she too was 100 % German breeding)

the reason why I do not agree with nervous dogs being bred from(especially bitches)is because the bitches do influence the puppies characters after their eyes open & they observe her reactions. I also believe that only dogs that met all the breed standard should be bred from(with temperament & character being equally important to health)

Yes I am well aware of what the TT consists of in Obedience and the amount of handling required in the show ring!

I am afraid your opinion re temperament and genetics is not worth the ether it is expressed on Dyane, unless of course, amongst your "other" talents and "knowledge" you have published any peer reviewed papers on this subject replicated by tens of not hundreds of your colleagues?

In fact you contradict yourself in just one post.

So if the puppies followed the bitch in temperament how does that prove your theory?

If you do a teeny weeny bit of research you will find that if you replicated that breeding another three times, you would have different results. That is why there are expressions such as a 1 in 4 etc likelihood of x when you breed with regard to genetic traits etc.

EG when you breed a two dogs with recessive genes to name but one example.



HTH

Er the puppies pick up on the mother's reactions to people, other dogs. loud noises etc etc etc

The bitch(who I bred & sold as a puppy)had no temperament faults, the father(who was atypical of his breeding BTW)could not be shown even here in the UK where some judges will put up dogs with iffy temperaments & my dog was exactly like his mother in temperament

As my mother's bitches puppies were reared by my bitch with a wonderful temperament they never saw the way their mother reacted at all.

Oddly enough from the litter that my mother's bitch came from all the others had good temperaments & won well in the ring & also most of the litter went to working homes(ie Service dogs not Obedience/WT)all were good working dogs & when the mating was repeated all the litter went to the Services & all had good characters. Only my mother's bitch was fear aggressive.

Sorry the main influence IMHO(& that of many professional dog handlers as opposed to sport dog handlers)comes from the mother's influence & the environs that the dogs are raised in.

you still haven't explained what an Obedience TT has to do with a show bred boxers temperament

So poor temperament is a recessive gene then ?? Must be easy to test for I presume(not that I would know anything about genetic testing of course, except that my current dogs have had all available genetic tests done). So for my next puppy can you point me to the genetic test for the bad temperament gene so I can get my friend to test her dogs for me before they are bred from ? I would also like to test my BC bitch before she is bred from, can't risk breeding from her if she carries the bad temperament gene can I ?

I am afraid that there is NO difference between the outlook of INFORMED professional dog handlers (ie those who have some dog nous) and sports handlers on this subject I am afraid Dyane.

And of course there are MANY who are BOTH, for example Bernard Flinks, whose seminar I attended for the 2nd time, not to mention many others who are professional dog handlers ie police dog handlers/security dog handlers/MoD Plods etc who are ALSO sports handlers!

All of whom agree that they would not purchase or breed from temperamentally unsound dogs!

Temperament tests come in all forms Dyane, there are Volhard, Swedish, Metpol, Blue Cross, PAT, Rottweiler Club, Schutzhund , Pet Partners, Obedience, KC Good Citizen etc etc etc

HOW a dog is bred, what BREED it is, is of little import.

HTH

Dyane, I must have missed the part in my post where I stated that "poor temperament is a recessive gene"; could you point out exactly where I made that statement please? I appear to be going gaga!

ROFLMAO

Read it again luv.