Advice for friend please open shows with racing greyhound classes in south east Showing

Hi a fb friend went to her first open show today and got 2nd av hound in,a class of 3 and 2nd limit bitch class of 2,shes spayed and has kc permission to show shes a rescue with kc papers in owners name traced via ear tattos to an irish pedigree.she also got rbob today in hound group but someone has advised against show dogs in bigger classes she doesnt stand much chance,i have advised not to take in to heart and certainly dont give in,but as she was orginally breed for racing even though never has,never will I am asking do you get separte classses at open/champ shows for dogs breed to race? If so where are they in south east,she lives in west sussex,how do you enter etc,asking for my own curiosity more than anything but will pasd links to online entry forms/schuedules on to owner of dog.

if she's KC registered theres nothing to stop you entering in greyhound classes, at open shows or club shows

i can give you a number if you need more info

Provided of course the dogs registered in your friends name with the KC. There arent any seperate classes for racing dogs just the breed classes and she may struggle to be honest.

Yes the greyhound is registered in her name,she has loads of top rossettes at companion level 1st,2nd,b.i.s and r.b.i.s. She has never raced she just found out thats what she was breed for as she had to trace irish stud book via dogs ear tattos to register her at uk kennel club in her name.i think it was someone fron greyhound club that told her there were separate classes at open/champ shows for racing greyhounds as opposed to those breed for the showring.

Ah the old show v working debate.

FWIW I have shown a "working" version of breed successfully and won at Crufts.......

I think there are separate classes at some shows. I know of someone who has ex-racing greys and she has shown one of them at Crufts, in a separate class, so to have qualified there must be classes at other shows too.

Edited to add:
http://crufts.fossedata.co.uk/Breed.asp?ShowYear=2011&GroupID=HOU&ScheduleID=134
Crufts results from this year, Greyhound classes - there are classes for Special Racing/Coursing.

Not necessarily it depends on the criteria for entry.

For example, there are special Working Trial Classes and Special Field Trial and Special Gundog Classes at Crufts, entry to these is not contingent on a placing at a Breed Show but having met the criteria for entry.

Eg having the relevant Working Trial Qualifications, Field Trial CoM or Working Gundog Certificate.

Do you get many Greyhounds in Working Trials??

No and you do not get ANY in Field Trials or Gundog Working Tests of course!

I doubt it I thought field/working trails were mainly for gundogs. I believe from what said friend has been told tatooed racing greyhounds greyhounds automatically qualify for crufts in racing greyhpund classes without the need to qualify at a breed champ show.

To show a racing greyhound at crufts it does not need to qualify as long as it is only entered in the racing and coursing class. To enter the normal show classes then yes it has to qualify in the same way a show bred would have too.

You can enter any show in the greyhound classes if they have them if not in either the AVNSC hound or the AVNSC classes. Not many open shows have classes for greyhounds.

Crufts, The Hound association champ show The greyhound club show champ and open all have classes for racing greyhounds. It is possible to compete and beat the show greyhounds with an ex racer I entered my bitch Button into the greyhound club champ show in 2008. She came 5th in post grad in a class of 14 bitches and beat a lot of the show breds too. It is hard as they are a different type and some judges will not over look that fact and judge them as what they are. We took Button to one show were the judge placed dogs that she couldn't even go over and wouldn't move on the lead before she would place a race bred.

Now I only enter Button at crufts but unfortunately have not been able to take her since 2008.

This is my son at crufts were she came 3rd in the racing and coursing bitch class at her very first show. As long as they have a greyhound stub book number after their name on their kc papers you can enter the racing class at crufts without qualifying. It says GSB and a number.

It is possible to compete and beat the show greyhounds with an ex racer I entered my bitch Button into the greyhound club champ show in 2008. She came 5th in post grad in a class of 14 bitches and beat a lot of the show breds too. It is hard as they are a different type and some judges will not over look that fact and judge them as what they are. We took Button to one show were the judge placed dogs that she couldn't even go over and wouldn't move on the lead before she would place a race bred.

Re: The above statement made by Freyja

I am a Complete novice but can I ask why if separate types so to speak,why they dont have a different class for racers as opposed to show breed dogs at all open/champ shows not just a select few,or do most racers still meet the breed standard.also how many points do you lose for showing a spayed dog if any as i am aware she had to write to kc to ask for permission to show her bitch as she was spayed by the rescue so she had no choice in the matter, but doesnt wish to breed anyway, do you still get points knocked off if a dog/bitch isnt intire or have breed standards been changed to allow more responsible owners thinking of there dogs future health to show a healthy spayed dog/bitch without that automatically meaning that a entire bitch/dog was placed over yours,as many breed standards use to quote males should have to fully descended testicles not sure about females.Are the judges that overlook the racers and only place show breed greyhounds well known, ie: if you see a name on a schuedule can you look them up and see which type they prefer ?

In showing any animal - be it dogs, cats, cage birds, mice, Koi carp - you will always get judges who have their own ideas and preferences. As you get more involved in the showing you begin to learn which ones like yours and which don't.

It may be possible within the ex-racer crowd to get more information from them but that's something which would evolve over time as you gain more experience.

If you want to see how well another ex-racer can do, google "Florida Karen" owned by a friend of mine.... Firsts at Open shows, placings at others, and well placed at Crufts.

If they have been placed at Open shows in the main Greyhound classes I think that qualifies them for both Greyhound breed classes and Ex-racing classes at Crufts.

Thanks not my dog she belongs to a friend i meet on facebook, but i am into dog showing and as i have a crossbreed this is one area i know little about (OPEN,CHAMP) as we never showed our golden retriever higher than companion,so when someone asks a question or questions relating to the dog show world i like to find out answers for myself as you never know one day the info could come in handy for myself.Where would you find the ex racer crowd ? do they have there own club or society

Wins in classes at open shows do not qualify for crufts. In greyhounds you have to be 1st, 2nd or 3rd in puppy, junior, post grad, limit or open classes at a champ show were CC's are on offer for greyhounds. Not all champ shows have CC's for greyhounds. Greyhounds don't tend to have yearling classes to compete in the show classes at crufts. As long as an ex racer is registered with the KC and the GBGB they can enter the racing and coursing class without ever being to a show before.

There have always been 2 types of greyhound racing bred and coursing bred the coursers are much heavier built than the racers who are built for speed. The coursers been bred to bring down game. The show bred greyhounds were originally bred from the coursing greyhounds and so are mucher taller heavier built dogs. The breed standard says 28-30" to the shoulder but my show dog William was 31" and was one of the smallest show breds in the ring at the time.

I have not shown a greyhound since loosing my William and to be honest have lost the will to show a greyhound since then I just haven't the heart to show Button since loosing him but most of the people who show ex racers know which judges will place their dogs in the show dogs classes and which will not. You can't really tell by looking at the results which judges will place the race dogs against the show dogs as you don't know which dogs were entered. All I am saying is from experience I can tell you there are judges who will put a race dog down I have seen it happen when there have been 3 dogs in a class say post grad which is a qualifying class place the 2 show breds in the class and with hold other placings as the other dog is a racer just to stop it qualifying.

1 particular judge even put in her critique much as they are gratefull for the owners of the ex racers entering their dogs to make up the numbers they do not confirm to the breed standard and so she will not place them in any classes.

That is the honest truth and was put in the critique for a champ show she judged at several year ago.

my understanding is that although the ex- racing greyhound is of a different type to the show , many owners do support the breed club shows by entering their dogs.

Ashford and Faversham Canine Society are holding an Open Show at Lockmeadow, Maidstone on 25th Spetember , and have 2 classes for Greyhounds scheduled, you can still enter online.

The owners of kc registered racing greyhounds do support the greyhound classes at both the breed shows and the champ shows that have greyhound classes even if they do know the judge does not like ex racers and does not rate them. It is quite easy how ever to qualify an ex racer for the show classes at crufts due to the low entries of show greyhounds.


These are the results for the greyhound classes at City of Birmingham yesterday. The judge Dagmar Kenis Pordham is on the greyhound club committee so is a greyhound specialist. She also judged whippet dogs at crufts this year and has judged the group at crufts before now.

Judges Critiques on www.dog.biz


City of Birmingham 2011

Greyhound

Judge: Mrs Dagmar Kenis Pordham



BEST OF BREED : 624 HOLDER, Mrs M A & BOGGIA, Miss C & PENFOLD Miss Boughton Banchieri
Dog CC : 632 ROBERTSON, Mr J & MCKNIGHT, Ms E & SMITH Miss M Ch Azrams Secret Quest (ai)
Res Dog CC : 623 HARGREAVES Mrs B Mistweave Magic Dragon
Bitch CC : 624 HOLDER, Mrs M A & BOGGIA, Miss C & PENFOLD Miss Boughton Banchieri
Res Bitch CC : 620 BOGGIA Miss C Boughton Bellina
Best Puppy : 630 RIDLEY & MAGENIS Mesdames Ransley Simply A Delight
Best Veteran :
Best Breeder :

Class 227 VD (1 Entries) Abs: 0
1st: 637 THOMPSON, Miss F & HOLDER Mrs M A Int Ch Ir Ch Sobers Gargoyle
2nd:
3rd:
Res:
VHC:

Class 228 PD (1 Entries) Abs: 0
1st: 618 BARTLETT Mr P W & Mrs R A Ransley Majestic Style
2nd:
3rd:
Res:
VHC:

Class 229 JD NO ENTRIES


Class 230 PGD (1 Entries) Abs: 1


Class 231 LD (2 Entries) Abs: 0
1st: 627 MILLWARD Misses C, E & M Windspiel Northern Steel for Alouann
2nd: 634 RODEN Ms C Mistweave Making Eyes
3rd:
Res:
VHC:

Class 232 OD (2 Entries) Abs: 0
1st: 632 ROBERTSON, Mr J & MCKNIGHT, Ms E & SMITH Miss M Ch Azrams Secret Quest (ai)
2nd: 623 HARGREAVES Mrs B Mistweave Magic Dragon
3rd:
Res:
VHC:

Class 233 GCD NO ENTRIES


Class 234 VB (1 Entries) Abs: 0
1st: 624 HOLDER, Mrs M A & BOGGIA, Miss C & PENFOLD Miss Boughton Banchieri
2nd:
3rd:
Res:
VHC:

Class 235 PB (2 Entries) Abs: 0
1st: 630 RIDLEY & MAGENIS Mesdames Ransley Simply A Delight
2nd: 619 BARTLETT Mr P W & Mrs R A Ransley Simply Bewitched
3rd:
Res:
VHC:

Class 236 JB NO ENTRIES


Class 237 PGB (5 Entries) Abs: 1
1st: 620 BOGGIA Miss C Boughton Bellina
2nd: 616 AYLING Mrs P A Telltales Celia (Imp)
3rd: 636 SPURR Mrs A J & Mr K D Boughton Bellavista At Suttonelms
Res: 635 SADLER Miss J M Undercover Lucy NAF TAF
VHC:

Class 238 LB (4 Entries) Abs: 1
1st: 631 RIDLEY & MAGENIS Mesdames Talissand Atlantic Melody
2nd: 633 ROBERTSON, Mr J & MCKNIGHT, Ms E & SMITH Miss M Azrams Secret Sayonara (ai)
3rd: 629 RABEY-WILKINSON Mrs Mistweave Midnight Oil At Greatplains
Res:
VHC:

Class 239 OB (4 Entries) Abs: 1
1st: 621 BOGGIA Miss C Ch Bellezza Di Boughton
2nd: 628 NEWSHAM Mrs E Ch Windspiel Northern Stylo
3rd: 617 AYLING Mrs P A Shalfleet Just A Crystal
Res:
VHC:

Class 240 GCB (1 Entries) Abs: 0
1st: 617 AYLING Mrs P A Shalfleet Just A Crystal
2nd:
3rd:
Res:
VHC:

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Undercover Lucy 4th in post grad bitch is an ex racer she was found as a stray in Stoke taken to the local pound were she spent 7 days and was taken in by Greyhound Gap and was later rehomed and registered by her new owner with the kc and is now being shown.

It is hard to tell by the names which are the ex racers as they do not have to be registered with the KC with their racing name you can call them whatever you like.

good for them for entering her at least it keeps the numbers up which lets face it are not increasing much