BSD Breeders General Chat

Oh and I are researching our next dog. This one will be a pup, from a breeder (I want to be able to do Agility/OB/WT maybe take Smokeybear on at Schutzhund!)

The new dog will be a Malinois. I love the look of the breed, and the personality meets my requirements exactly. However I am going to go down the working route (my research suggests that these have better temperaments, and better working ability with the bonus of an off switch)

So, any recommendations for good Malinois breeders (someone who would be able to guide a pup and BSD noob to the right dog for us) I would also consider the Terv (again would need to be working lines)

So any recommendations from you BSD owners?

No suggestions. But, will watch with interest, as I'm going for a Mal for my next Dog too.

really ...what research is that then ? - I've got 25 years experience in BSD including running BSD rescue and I can tell you that working bred Malinois can be a nightmare for the novice BSD owner ! - far better to go to Bonvivant, Belsharose or Revloch Kennels for versatile beautiful Malinois of excellent character and woking ability - why not come along to the BSDA of GB Champ show where you can speak to breeders and actually see the breed for yourself - details can be found here :

http://www.bsdaofgb.co.uk/

Dogs of PROVEN working ability in Schutzhund, Mondioring, Obedience and Working Trials can be obtained from John and Sue Rumble of the Jotunheim affix (they also bred my GSD)!

Breeders of the FIRST Malinois to win a ticket in obedience, the FIRST Malinois to become a WT Ch, the FIRST British Bred Malinois to win and BEAT the Continentals at FCI obedience, Mondioring etc

Remember an OUNCE of performance is worth a POUND of potential!

John will guide you to the RIGHT Malinois for you, not ALL he breeds would be suitable for you.

He has bred several who are very successful in WT and Schutzhund.

They are very lovely people and would take the time to understand what you want, your abilities and hence match you up with the correct pup from a suitable litter.

HTH

I have heard good things about Cheshire Canine's (Shadowquest) GSDs and I see from their website that they also breed Malinois - so could be worth a look.

http://www.cheshirecanine.com/shadowquest-gsd.htm

As far as John Rumble goes, he is known as one of the top (if not THE top) working line breeder of Malis in this country - and so could definitely point you in the right direction.

Good luck with your search - I would quite like a Malinois one day too ... that is, if I can tear myself away from GSDs for a second!

No I can imagine some would be totally wrong for our set up. Exactly the reason why I would to find a good breed who knows what they are doing and would guide me to the right dog (or bitch)

I am slightly concerned about the breed standard and some of my reading on other forums/sites of "nervous" "wary" and "anxious" dogs. Even when socialised to within an inch of its life. This sort of dog wouldnt (IMHO) be suited to our family life (children, other dogs, us wanting to be able to go anywhere and everywhere)
I dont mind a dog who demands sensitive handling (Kerrie is like that) but I wouldnt want a dog who went to pieces over a paperclip either!

Just looking at that site...some stunning animals.

Hmmm will have to Google John Rumble and see if I can drop an email.

I suppose any dog when not handled correctly, and matched to the owner/household could be a nightmare.

I will have a look at those kennels you suggest.

oooer my thread has been moved...

SB do you have an email address for John and Sue? I googled them and came up with an old thread on the other dog forum..that was rather LOL

Yes I will pm you they are very good friends of mine

much appreciated

You should be concerned I am afraid many use the words "wary" and "aloof" as euphemisms for nervous IME especially with many of the ones I have met, including those who do Agility with them etc.

that's why I always recommend visiting the breeder before hand - there are some lines that produce nervous dogs and some whose dogs are 'wired' all the time and are very difficult to live with -you really need to see just what the adult dogs are like before committing yourself to a pup - if you're near my neck of the woods ( Spalding Lincs ) you're very welcome to come along and meet my bunch - they'll behave like typical BSD by barking when you get here - then trying to sit on you for a fuss - then fetching a ball for you to throw ;-)

If you can get to our club show on the 6th August you'll see loads of BSD ( all 4 varieties ) and be able to interact with the dogs from several kennels - we 're a welcoming bunch who all do a huge range of things with our dogs - we also have a working club look here : www.wbsds.org.uk/default.aspx
www.wbsds.org.uk/default.aspx

there should NOT be a working/show split in the BSD and for most of us there is'nt !

There should not be a working/show split in LOTS of breeds eg GSD, HPRs, Labradors, Spaniels but the facts are that there IS!

If you want to compete at the top in Schutzhund, you would not buy a show/pet bred GSD or BSD!

If you want to compete at the top in Field Trials, you would not buy a show/pet bred labrador or Spaniel!

It was interesting to note that at the recent BSD World Championships (where John Rumble and Kupa came 2nd, beaten by half a point) the members of the British Agility Team (who were unplaced) were very interested in the working bred dogs!

ps Jotunheim Alma competes not only in Working Trials successfully but also in the Breed Ring! She is owned by Tom Davis of the Daelois BSD!

See, my heart belongs to Rough Collies. Always has and always will. Just the look makes me melt, so pretty.

But the three I have owned (and the other two in the family) have had no interest in work whatsoever. They are as far removed from "sheepdog work" and as likely to do a days work as I am to do a long distance run (just the thought gives me the willies!)

It is a shame that some breeds have "split" but whose fault is that? the people who want to be able to continue to work their dogs, or those who want the prettiest one? You are not telling me that the chap who breeds his Border Collies for function is wrong because his dogs coats are wrong!

In all honesty if :

"(I want to be able to do Agility/OB/WT maybe take Smokeybear on at Schutzhund!) "

Ag/OB/WT are yourfirst choice of sports id not get a full on/working lines Mali for your first BSD.

The dog sports are hard enough to get started in (sorry im not sure if youve competed in the past or not-sorry if im teaching you to suck eggs ) & the training complex enough as it is, without having the added pressure of a peiece of lit dynamite on the end of your lead!

If you are going to be learning on the go , then defintally (imo)get a Terv/gron (not spilt in terms of show/working) or a show type Mal. & then look to getting a working lines mali in a few years when you understand the sports.

as an aside, I am looking forward to see how Suzanne gets on with her Groan in obedience although I am sure she will make it up, which again will be a first for the breed!

O me too!
Im sure she will.
Do you mean make it up as a Double CH (WT/OB) ? Obvisley Sarah Delany has had two (?) Gronnie
OB CHs.

Oh I did not realise there had been two Groan Ob Ch, so slapped wrists for me.

Maybe this was before my time..............

What affix was this as a matter of interest?

Smokeybear - I noted your previous point re the British Agility Team and not being placed, seemed like a bit of a 'dig' that was all, not sure if it was meant that way??

I know all the team personally, and unfortunately in England agility wise, you just don't have that many BSD's in agility, it is still dominated by collies.

I make note especially that there is one Malinois in particular who I know very well, who won at Olympia, has just become an Agility Champion, and 2x World Champion in the WAO - which is no mean feat and she is not from working lines. Her and her handler were incredibly unlucky at the BSD WC this year.

I'm not suggesting either is better and I think there is sometimes a difference in working/show, BUT I think it is personal choice - so I think in response to the OP, you can still get suitable working dogs that aren't necessarily from a specific 'working' breeder, thats all